Bots and EULA...

I have heard from some people that bots are being used actively...

Doesn't it break any terms in the EULA?

What's the standing of FDev to this?

What's your opinion?
 
Not sure which patch, but a couple years ago they updated Elite... and apparently killed bots. I hear rumors of them in the forums and searched for hours to witness these botting programs to no avail.

I would like to see someone actually prove they still exist... like dodo's or vegetarians.
 
How would anyone catch and report someone botting in solo?

Are players able to detect the activity by some kind of station report or what? How does anyone know this is even happening?

Quite frankly, the players don't know, even if they may assume. Frontier can however, investigate it using their own logs- especially in regard to recent systems and gameplay. If they notice particular account(s) that affect a system with an unusual pattern, within a short amount of time, it might warrant further investigation. If not, it could very well be random accounts at different times, so that wouldn't be justified as "botting" activity.

The lesson to be learned here, quite simply is thoughts are not facts. Just because someone thinks something might be happening, doesn't preclude it to be truth.

IMO Frontier should also be taking accusations of botting, cheating, or any other form of circumventing the game as seriously as they would the offense itself. Too many times have I seen others propagandizing by using such charged terminology rather than actually investigating the issue before they make wanton accusations.

The consequences for botting, cheating and the like could be account bans... which affect people IRL. That's not a "game". I'm sure if it was the same for those who accuse others without proof there'd be a lot less of it going on.
 
How would anyone catch and report someone botting in solo?

Are players able to detect the activity by some kind of station report or what? How does anyone know this is even happening?

A lot of them are programmed to mode switch / board flip, with various levels of competency. The only real way to catch them is when they balls up and stay in open.
 
A lot of them are programmed to mode switch / board flip, with various levels of competency. The only real way to catch them is when they balls up and stay in open.

Interesting. Do you have a video or something that demonstrates the use of such 3rd party software?
 
Actually the link provided by bitstorm probably explains it better than I could.

I'm just curious as to how you can completely automate an account, given the variables of ships flying randomly about systems, docking locations, etc.

I'm aware of the argument... just wondering how one can actually do it, considering to automate something, some variables have to to be consistent. If you just set up macros to fly a ship a certain way or hit buttons in a certain order, great- but how does it intuitively know how to avoid other ships flying around, in the docking slot, or those sort of things? What about random interdictions?

I guess what I'm asking here is how one could possibly completely automate an account with 3rd party software, given all the random variables in this game. Not saying it's completely "impossible" but for me to believe the accusation, I'd have to know that first it could logically be done to begin with. Just simply pointing a finger and saying "You're botting!!!!" doesn't cut it.

I'm all on board for Frontier punishing botters, or cheaters. What I'm not on board with is Frontier making sweeping massive changes to the game based on accusation alone.
 
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I'm just curious as to how you can completely automate an account, given the variables of ships flying randomly about systems, docking locations, etc.

I'm aware of the argument... just wondering how one can actually do it, considering to automate something, some variables have to to be consistent. If you just set up macros to fly a ship a certain way or hit buttons in a certain order, great- but how does it intuitively know how to avoid other ships flying around, in the docking slot, or those sort of things? What about random interdictions?

They are programmed to fly to point A - B (or more) and anything that causes issues they quit to menu and restart. Interdiction, take damage, heat damage, etc. The bot is programmed to quit and reset. You should watch the example videos from the OP in the link provided by bitstorm. As said it shows it best - it's a 20min video, but everything you ask is in there really.
 
They are programmed to fly to point A - B (or more) and anything that causes issues they quit to menu and restart. Interdiction, take damage, heat damage, etc. The bot is programmed to quit and reset. You should watch the example videos from the OP in the link provided by bitstorm. As said it shows it best - it's a 20min video, but everything you ask is in there really.

I've watched the video. Indeed it's suspicious, and only leaves me with more questions. Anytime I've approached/entered any station's range, it's always a random location. Curious as to how this particular one was able to get the exact same bearing and approach every time, and align for docking the same way, etc. Definitely seems to be some rather complex programming involved, considering counters that were attempted, etc. I can see why Frontier would ban such accounts! ;)
 

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I have known for a while. But unless you research it. It unknown to most people. Why it because they are not looking for it or do not know about it.
 
I guess what I'm asking here is how one could possibly completely automate an account with 3rd party software, given all the random variables in this game. Not saying it's completely "impossible" but for me to believe the accusation, I'd have to know that first it could logically be done to begin with. Just simply pointing a finger and saying "You're botting!!!!" doesn't cut it.

Like what though specifically?

The trouble is these threads often to turn into HOWTO guides with people wanting to know and other people wanting to be clever and explain it all.

I ended up reporting a bunch of posts in previous threads and mods (rightly imho) stepped on it.
 

Lestat

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I'm just curious as to how you can completely automate an account, given the variables of ships flying randomly about systems, docking locations, etc.
What I seeing is they are using Pictures to get an idea of a location. Then take another picture to adjust from. It not like the old Bots I use in Lotro that follow a set commands For farming or cooking. I think it mostly the advancement of Captcha bots. They are using them in the game. For Captcha it all about pictures. Then you add with the older bots and you have an I win button.
 
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