PvP 'Etiquette' of killing a player for PP?

[GunnerBill]

OK not a whiny thread, a genuine question:

I'm looking to up my immersion in ED and freely admit that this may involve a bit more PvP. I am not going to be ganking anyone but if I spot an enemy PP player in my system is it OK to KOS?

I give you two scenarios:

1) High combat rank, combat orientated ship etc - I'd say it was OK to engage immediately.

2) Low combat rank, trader/multi-role ship - not so sure.

The only reason I ask is that I see a lot of 2) these days in my home system and suspect that like me (back in the day) they are just aligned for the PP modules. So basically I'd feel a bit guilty.

I just don't want to be "that guy"! :S

 

[Threeofseven]

My rules are competent+ = kill approved. But in actuality I usually just bang them up a bit.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

If they're a PowerPlay rival, kill on sight.

But, just send a comms message first, or after, helps with the RP if the victim knows why. Otherwise you're just another filthy greifer in their eyes. Lol

But don't kill harmless sidewinders, just inform them that they're in enemy territory. They probably don't know better yet.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[Bigmaec]

In my opinion, if I'd seriously play Powerplay (and not just do the module grind as I did before):

Morally it is ok to blast enemies, regardless of rank or ship.

If a harmless Sidewinder is pledged to Aisling Duvall, and you're one of her enemies, why not kill it?
Expect the same happening to you if you run into an enemy CMDR.

I have qualms doing it now, but as soon as PP open only arrives I will do exactly that if pledged.

Those are more valid reasons to kill anyone ingame than most others.

 

[Marra Morgan]

OK not a whiny thread, a genuine question:

I'm looking to up my immersion in ED and freely admit that this may involve a bit more PvP. I am not going to be ganking anyone but if I spot an enemy PP player in my system is it OK to KOS?

I give you two scenarios:

1) High combat rank, combat orientated ship etc - I'd say it was OK to engage immediately.

2) Low combat rank, trader/multi-role ship - not so sure.

The only reason I ask is that I see a lot of 2) these days in my home system and suspect that like me (back in the day) they are just aligned for the PP modules. So basically I'd feel a bit guilty.

I just don't want to be "that guy"! :S

That low combat rank, trader/multi-role ship is quite capable of shipping PP prep / fort goods for the enemy!

Maybe you could take a pirate's approach and demand they jettison those goods or be destroyed? That puts the decision in their hands, allowing you to indulge your immersion and act like a genuine privateer, without any guilt over smashing up "harmless" trading ships

 

[RymdLazer]

Well if a player is partaking in pp in open it is pvp consent.

 

[Bigmaec]

Well if a player is partaking in pp in open it is pvp consent.

The only problem I have with this is the current situation that people don't *live* that.

People *should* go at each other's throats if pledged to an enemy fraction.
But the current powerplay is lazy module shopping no consequences gameplay
(I include myself in that, I didn't attack ONE enemy pledged CDMR until now).

People even get annoyed and call "ganker/griefer" if killed by another power's pledged CMDR.

On the other hand CMDRs from enemy powers happily join wings and bounty hunt together (or whatever).

I desperately hope this situation will change (including ingame hints and galnet articles)
when (if??) powerplay open only arrives. Give PvP meaning!

 

[Madrax573]

PP enemy = valid target. Their rank/ship doesn't make any difference and you are perfectly find to engage and kill if you can. Remember it may only be a new save for an very experienced player.....

You can blockage or pirate them if you want from a RP pov but feel free just to kill if you want to.

 

[EUS]

It's a good question, which leads to a more in depth question of if I kill those players just starting out, is it good for POOP, and good for (open) as a whole?

 

[GunnerBill]

On the other hand CMDRs from enemy powers happily join wings and bounty hunt together (or whatever).

This is kind of the crux of the matter for me because several of my friends in my home system (Hudson) are aligned to whatever PP faction just for the modules. I've now stuck with Hudson because several ganker types have turned up clean in our system but aligned elsewhere.

I suppose random unknown players passing could be a threat whereas I know my chums are OK.

Oh the decisions!

I guess a few Wines will make things clearer. See I lied it was a winey thread!


Thanks for all the replies

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

OK not a whiny thread, a genuine question:

I'm looking to up my immersion in ED and freely admit that this may involve a bit more PvP. I am not going to be ganking anyone but if I spot an enemy PP player in my system is it OK to KOS?

I give you two scenarios:

1) High combat rank, combat orientated ship etc - I'd say it was OK to engage immediately.

2) Low combat rank, trader/multi-role ship - not so sure.

The only reason I ask is that I see a lot of 2) these days in my home system and suspect that like me (back in the day) they are just aligned for the PP modules. So basically I'd feel a bit guilty.

I just don't want to be "that guy"! :S

Yes.
If you are pledged you are fair game, period.

 

[Ethaidan]

I just don't want to be "that guy"! :S

Too late!

I'm having a similar crisis of conscience. I dropped into a CG a couple weeks ago and the first Cmdr I ran into came up as PP enemy. I was tempted, scanned his ship and followed him a while ... he wasn't kitted for a fight, so I moved on. Not that I'm much of a threat at the best of times, but I was in the system to test out a fully operational death star, and he was in a transport vessel. It renewed my desire for the ability to create text macros for PS4, then at least there would have been some exchange of ideas.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Too late! ��

I'm having a similar crisis of conscience. I dropped into a CG a couple weeks ago and the first Cmdr I ran into came up as PP enemy. I was tempted, scanned his ship and followed him a while ... he wasn't kitted for a fight, so I moved on. Not that I'm much of a threat at the best of times, but I was in the system to test out a fully operational death star, and he was in a transport vessel. It renewed my desire for the ability to create text macros for PS4, then at least there would have been some exchange of ideas.

If I see an obvious noob I'll give an in-character warning, but I sure don't expect others to follow suit.
PP is too benign as it is.

 

[Rochester]

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[Ethaidan]

If I see an obvious noob I'll give an in-character warning, but I sure don't expect others to follow suit.
PP is too benign as it is.

Yes, it is. But that's on FDev. The whole casual nature of pledging/unpledging, consequence free module shopping - complete with unlimited repurchases via insurance (even when pledged to an enemy), is fundamentally absurd, and no doubt a factor in the benign nature of PP.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Yes, it is. But that's on FDev. The whole casual nature of pledging/unpledging, consequence free module shopping - complete with unlimited repurchases via insurance (even when pledged to an enemy), is fundamentally absurd, and no doubt a factor in the benign nature of PP.

We have just been discussing how you can take it upon yourself.

You may choose not to, of course.

 

[Ethaidan]

We have just been discussing how you can take it upon yourself.

You may choose not to, of course.

Of course I can, and I have, but the damp squib foundation of pledging to a power always gives me pause. I've no doubt that many of the cmdrs I've seen happily farming away in res sites in enemy territory, sometimes winged up with opposing cmdrs, are simply module shopping. Perhaps they should be targeted in a harsher way for pledging under false pretense? Technically that would make things less benign, but I'd rather face off against someone genuinely interested in their power.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I'm just pointing out that the game leaves it up to you, as a representative of the opposing power.
It's like a lazy cop complaining that there is too much crime on their beat.

It's your job to add the consequence.
You are also pledging under false pretenses if you let them skate by.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

OK not a whiny thread, a genuine question:

I'm looking to up my immersion in ED and freely admit that this may involve a bit more PvP. I am not going to be ganking anyone but if I spot an enemy PP player in my system is it OK to KOS?

I give you two scenarios:

1) High combat rank, combat orientated ship etc - I'd say it was OK to engage immediately.

2) Low combat rank, trader/multi-role ship - not so sure.

The only reason I ask is that I see a lot of 2) these days in my home system and suspect that like me (back in the day) they are just aligned for the PP modules. So basically I'd feel a bit guilty.

I just don't want to be "that guy"! :S

So you would be 100% right to kill any powerplayer thats your enemy. Even at a CG while they arent doing Powerplay activities.

Its basically gang warfare.

Unfortunately some guys just dont understand the game. Sooner or later youre going to be that guy. But thats not your fault. It happens.

Thats why I make fun of the griefing and ganking people talk about. And tell them to learn the game.

Its frustrating, it will get salty. Just remember its not your fault. And to be honest, there is only so much I can take with the doxxing threats and what not after a while. It gets stupid.

Even though Frontier Directly addresses this stuff in multiple videos over the years and forum posts. Theres nothing you can do.

You'll just end up being that guy.

For me, I just said screw it. If I am really going to be that guy, as I tried to play by the rules.

Then I am just gonna be that guy.

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Wish it didnt have to be that way. But it is what it is.

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

All powerplay enemies are fair game.

Then again, so is anyone else in open.