No, the *traveler* is definitely not the correct term. How about a *tourist* or *farmer*? Because the present exploration system giving us fast visual picture of entire star system and allowing us to make quick decision if it worth the time spent in it, has turned the explorers either in Japanese tourist with camera taking pictures of everything or in farmers harvesting everything in search of ELW, most beautiful/interesting system etc.
Frontier you talked about the "traveler" style of exploration and misunderstood one key thing
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Yep, I fully expect my trip to take longer, but it is also more likely that I will stumble across something interesting to visit. Exploration doesn't need to be a race.
I explore in many different ways and I will have to adapt just like everyone else.
I never liked the all seeing honk and glad it's gone even if it does slow things down a bit.
It is a playstyle sure, but it is more of Space Engine exploration playstyle.
Let's be honest. We got used to it. And that's long and short answer for it. Any change regarding exploration would be painful when you are used to skip most of galaxy.
I had to rewind that specific section because they were kinda talking to themselves when explaining it, but the things Adam developer was trying to guess was the little notches marked on the bar. Apparently you can over time read where they are on the bar and what they look like to represent type.
It took me a while, but i kinda know what i need to about the buggy wave scanner so its not that bad. Seems easier even.
The only gap in info is possibly which planets are closer.. if they somehow add that or its already there you can kinda work out all you need.
It took me a while, but i kinda know what i need to about the buggy wave scanner so its not that bad. Seems easier even.
The only gap in info is possibly which planets are closer.. if they somehow add that or its already there you can kinda work out all you need.
Sorry is that really necessary, boasting about visiting a few bookmarks crowded around Sag A*? Here are mine just as a comparison;
I look forward to the new exploration stuff, posting a few close together bookmarks is hardly an argument against it!
I think you'll change your mind on this after you get some time with the new system. It seems pretty darn obvious to me already that the only information that you can get from the ADS that you can't get from the FSS spectrum is orbital heirarchies. That's it. All of the rest can be gleaned at a glance. And even orbital hierarchies can probably be gleaned based on their arrow coding system (not sure if you caught that bit).
Since your a seasoned explorer, I expect that you'll catch on faster than most. But let me spell it out for everyone else here:
ADS info vs 3.3 FSS:
Mass, Radius = function of spectrum signal
Image/rings = function of spectrum signal + sound
semi-major axis = shown as distance to targeted object while near the star, or relative to parent body
orbital period = useless info except for exceedingly rare objects like Mitterands Hollow, besides which, full detailed info can be captured from a surface scan in the same time it would take to open the system map and select the object
Orbital structure = this info is only partially missing since moons and binary planets will show up in the spectrum and close objects upon zooming in. Arrow coding also reveals types of bodies, and hence heirarchies.
For me at least, expeditions are seeming much less viable in general. I might get along well enough on my own still exploring at my own pace, but those rare 1 in 10,000 type systems are seemingly going to take a lot more patience to find and explore in first-person.
It's a shame to let the downers win; in this particular case I even think it's, at least partially, to do with a case of "lost in translation" as it's obvious the poster's first language isn't english. That said, (s)he along with many others have completely, totally, and utterly, failed to grasp the point you were trying to make and the concerns you were trying to raise.
As for me, while I've got my concerns about the new system, some of them quite large as far as specifics go, overall I am quite optimistic about how it will change the game. I'm in no doubt whatsoever that overall it'll be slower to identify most types of "interesting" -systems- from an entire system perspective.
But one thing to bear in mind is that yes, the system-map glance is gone, but after you've resolved a couple of items of potential interest through the scanner interface, you'll be able to view them not only in the old System Map, but also in the brand-new Orrery which will show, in detail, their orbits and distances in a graphical manner.
Time will tell once we get our hands on the beta.
I strongly disagree. Expeditions with groups will be great with this system as discoveries are shared. It can now be a much more social experience.
Strongly agree with your disagreement.
They are -partially- shared (unless in a Wing in the same system, in which case the old system had the same sharing mechanic).
Basically you will get the old-style "honk" information on entering a system which has been scanned by others, that's it. You'll still need to use the FSS to get more information.
Actually, one thing which was completely not mentioned so far is what happens if you just fly up to a body without previously FSS'ing it? Will the old-style surface scan still work and will it populate the system information?
you might want to reread and introspect a bit before calling a whole community names.
your opinion is totally valid but then you're also coming across as a bit entitled and oversensitive for what it's worth. other's opinions are equally valid yet you are quite inflexible. ofc nobody has to tell you how to play, but you've been first to frame this as a personal issue, it's natural people comment exactly on that. so you want to discuss about the mechanic, or about you?And interesting discoveries that have been seeded throughout the galaxy via the Codex.
I think it will be more difficult and slower at first than the current system until you learn to analyse the waveform at the bottom of the screen and then it will be quick and easy again.
With a little bit of practice, which will be fun IMHO, you will be able to quickly jump into a system, honk, look at the waveform and be able to say there is something interesting in the system.
I highly recommend when the beta comes out people keep an open mind and they don't judge quickly because we won't be able to recognise interesting bodies until we've learnt how the waveforms work.
One of the developers in a stream on Twitch last night (not the official reveal live stream) mentioned they were able to fully scan a 40 object system in just under 10 minutes. With the current system it may take 10 minutes just to fly to one of the objects. I tend to fully scan systems near the bubble and I've spent a couple of hours in some systems, so I am looking forward to the new mechanics.
With a little bit of practice, which will be fun IMHO, you will be able to quickly jump into a system, honk, look at the waveform and be able to say there is something interesting in the system.
I highly recommend when the beta comes out people keep an open mind and they don't judge quickly because we won't be able to recognise interesting bodies until we've learnt how the waveforms work.
One of the developers in a stream on Twitch last night (not the official reveal live stream) mentioned they were able to fully scan a 40 object system in just under 10 minutes. With the current system it may take 10 minutes just to fly to one of the objects. I tend to fully scan systems near the bubble and I've spent a couple of hours in some systems, so I am looking forward to the new mechanics.
that's actually a good question. i guess the answer is no but ... why not?
I used to enjoy the days of real discovery...when all we had were our eyes and the ability to discern parallax. Whippersnappers have no idea what exploration is!
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The new system looks quite interesting. I hope to see people's concerns give way to enjoyment as they get used to the changes.
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The new system looks quite interesting. I hope to see people's concerns give way to enjoyment as they get used to the changes.
I wonder if those wanting the honk back, i.e. instant reveal of the a system, have considered the consequences of their requests? If the honk is bought back, then the majority of the work FD have done in regard to exploration in 3.3 will be wiped. There will be no requirement for the System Scanner, we might as well go back to the current extant system and just bring in the surface mapping feature.
Had a much longer post with in depth explanation but am going to try and cut to the crux. For the people who are concerned in the thread, here's my take on the situation.
What FD talked about with time and credits was in reference to people with a different style of play, and it wasn't a conflation of your style with theirs.
For the new mechanic:
There is also another side to it all which is that under the current mechanics a lot of people miss out on a lot of things that are there. It’s genuinely quite a big issue, and FD do need to try and make it all more accessible and noticeable to people, and that’s what the new mechanic does.
What FD talked about with time and credits was in reference to people with a different style of play, and it wasn't a conflation of your style with theirs.
For the new mechanic:
- On one hand, the process of getting info used for the current decisions is changing, and may become longer (whether that's actually the case, and to what degree won't be known fully until lots of practice has been had with the new mechanic).
- On the other hand, under the new mechanic the process of getting info for decisions will provide an extra set of information about more things of potential interest, some of which it would have been completely impossible to know about under the current mechanics even after DSS scanning the entire system.
There is also another side to it all which is that under the current mechanics a lot of people miss out on a lot of things that are there. It’s genuinely quite a big issue, and FD do need to try and make it all more accessible and noticeable to people, and that’s what the new mechanic does.
I said, "for me at least." I'm more of a lone wolf type player and mostly go on expeditions for the exploration component. The rest is just more of a nice bonus, checking out some cool sites others have found, and to help keep me motivated.
It is a necessary and good move to butcher the "reveal-all-bodies-honk".
You discover the main body, and that is it.
Additionally you no longer have to fly close enough to scan a body
and can reveal the basic scan level from the main star, as shown.
Often i entered a system and would've risked a scan or two did i not have to travel minutes
to get a basic scan running.
The change is good and at a first glance the learnable system of identifying bodies via their signature is a quick way to get in touch with the system's body distribution.
You discover the main body, and that is it.
Additionally you no longer have to fly close enough to scan a body
and can reveal the basic scan level from the main star, as shown.
Often i entered a system and would've risked a scan or two did i not have to travel minutes
to get a basic scan running.
The change is good and at a first glance the learnable system of identifying bodies via their signature is a quick way to get in touch with the system's body distribution.
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