Frontier you talked about the "traveler" style of exploration and misunderstood one key thing

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Jeff, imagine CT Book 2, then add engineering...

Regina to Glisten, in one jump. Tureded to Terra in two... :)

We have a bad game master, and power creep has done it's damage.

Personally I've never gotten over the First Great Expedition being trumped by Zulu Romeo in Gamma. That was way too quick.
 
I'm a bit confused with the levels of excitement, only because it seems that the major exploration changes are not related to things/stuff to discover, but with the mechanics of revealing the system map/body composition.
So unless FD actually increases the types of, and qtys of interesting POIs to actually explore, I'm left scratching my head.

In short, once the system mini-game is done, do players have thousands of different and interesting POIs scattered throughout the galaxy to explore, or are we left with the current POIs in game presently?

From my blog,

Along with the Exploration update, Frontier are improving the way that USSs work confirming that there will not only be new content for them, but they will now spawn throughout the entire system when you first enter it.

Frontier have said that they would,

“Seed the galaxy with a series of unique things to find”.
 
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When you say "types" do you mean "persona" ? Since that is a methodology used in software development. If so, having 12 explorer personas sounds like too much and makes me wonder how you distinct. Since as you say, it's nearly impossible to satisfy all 12 when touching the domain they share.

I'm not a user designer, nor do I have the data you guys have, but I would distinct explorers by their motivation

- The discoverer, a person that aims for finding out new things, money is not very important, time spent is not important, main motivation is the immersive experience of discovery, they can be lone wolfs or social expedition people, they can be veterans or newbies, some are scientific

- The honker, a person that aims to reach elite exploration rank, nice bonus goal is money as well, but for them reduced time spent is most important motivation

- The tagger, a person that aims to find something unique, tag it and return back, shared some motivations with discoverer, but differs in that they do not focus on discovery process

Other then that, I can't think of other types :)

Just off the top of my head:

Traveller - honks and gets L1 systems scans while going from A to B. Follows a Jump-Honk-Jump-Honk pattern

Decider-Interest-Sights/Oddities - May be travelling somewhere specific, may just be traveling with no destination. Honks, checks system map and assesses whether there's anything of interest in the system. Follows a Jump-Honk-<Check system map for anything of interest>then-A. Find things of interest-Do things with them-Jump; or -B. Jump

Decider-Interest-other things - Same as for above, but with various other things being looked for, and various other steps involved, DSS, Dolphin Diving, Glide Scanning, Flight Scanning, and so and so forth to determine if there's anything of interest

Decider-Credit - May be travelling somewhere specific, may just be traveling with no destination. Honks, checks system map and assesses whether there's anything of high credit value in the system. Follows a Jump-Honk-<Check system map for anything of high credit value>then-A. DSS scan high credit value bodies-Jump; or -B. Jump

System Scan Completionists - Fully DSS scan every body in every system jumped to. May be travelling somewhere specific, may just be traveling with no destination.

First Discovery Chasers (Bodies-Completionists) - Will DSS scan every undiscovered body in a system. May be travelling somewhere specific, may just be traveling with no destination.

First Discovery Chasers (Specific Body Types) - Will DSS scan every undiscovered body of a certain type in a system. May be travelling somewhere specific, may just be traveling with no destination.

Geologics hunters - DSS scan bodies and surface search ones with vulcanism (surface search in ship using POI scanner)

Tube Worm hunters - full surface search of all bodies which match estimated criteria in systems matching certain criteria (probably only surface search in ship using POI scanner)

New (or unclear criteria) Biologicals hunters - full surface searches of all bodies (probably only surface search in ship using POI scanner)

Guardian bubble hunters - go to area of space - find braintree eligible bodies - check surface for braintrees then A - if found, reports site(s) then check nearby systems and establish regional boundaries; or - B. if not found, go to another area of space.

Guardian site hunters - go to systems within a Guardian bubble - honk - untarget anything targetted - turn ship until all bodies have passed through HUD/Targetting reticule - go to any sites detected - report sites

Mystery/Alien/Secret site hunters - try to figure out potential systems and bodies (if possible) - full Mk I eyeball search of all candidate bodies (continued until something is found.


I can go on. And could also throw in various sub-categories and variations in approaches to all the above.
 
A big hug to all explorers, whether you like or loathe these changes. And whichever one of the 12-types FDEV have come up with you are.

We all love getting out there and finding stuff.

Time for a drum circle!

Indeed time to lean back and be happy about the nice things we will get with 3.3 - and there is a lot of nice things :D

The main impression I got from the stream was that I probably won't come back from the void if I embark on an exploration journey. Listening to the knowledge base articles, looking at surface POIs I'll finally be able to find, hunt hints form the Codex, enjoy the beauty of the galaxy (possible now, possible then).

All raise the chalice filled whatever liquid everybody prefers to drink in such situations and let's celebrate a bit.
 
Your statement strongly suggests a collector's mindset. You seem to confuse collecting marbles with exploring.

A collectors mindset? Well, I do not like consumerism to begin with so factually wrong. BTW, I'm close to doing a full loop around the galaxy, if that's not exploration then I really don't know what is.
 
With the proper equipment

I do use an exploration centric ship to explore :D

That's asking a bit too much since there're still a lot of various conceptions around, but all of them would imply at least a small bit of scientific(-like) activities or in other words - whatever, the polar opposite of the current exploring mockery.

Scientific activities? Well then I guess only Jackie Silver is a true explorer [haha]
 
A collectors mindset? Well, I do not like consumerism to begin with so factually wrong. BTW, I'm close to doing a full loop around the galaxy, if that's not exploration then I really don't know what is.

I went to Doncaster once on a bus - does that make me an explorer or a traveller :) (by the way, it was a dump)

EDIT: and congrats by the way, hell of a goal - I'm on my way to Saggitarius A for the first time at the minute
 
With the 'twelve' types of explorer I can vary between many of these sometimes multiple times per session of gameplay XD
 
I went to Doncaster once on a bus - does that make me an explorer or a traveller :) (by the way, it was a dump)

EDIT: and congrats by the way, hell of a goal - I'm on my way to Saggitarius A for the first time at the minute

I'd so no, to me the difference between travelling & exploring is that when you explore you visit place few or nobody has been before & that are somewhat dangerous/hard to get to.
 
Most ridiculous complaint award goes to the op.

Congratulations, you complained about the game getting entirely new mechanics added into it.
 
Most ridiculous complaint award goes to the op.

Congratulations, you complained about the game getting entirely new mechanics added into it.

Well, CQC was also a new mechanic when it was introduced, that has not prevented people from strongly crtitizising it.

In other words, new =! better, not always.
 
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Time for a drum circle!

Indeed time to lean back and be happy about the nice things we will get with 3.3 - and there is a lot of nice things :D

The main impression I got from the stream was that I probably won't come back from the void if I embark on an exploration journey. Listening to the knowledge base articles, looking at surface POIs I'll finally be able to find, hunt hints form the Codex, enjoy the beauty of the galaxy (possible now, possible then).

All raise the chalice filled whatever liquid everybody prefers to drink in such situations and let's celebrate a bit.

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Anyways I came back to say that after some people calmed me down and one in particular explained something:

1) The spectral analysis should give a snap shot overview immediately after the honk. They demonstrated this on stream, and were able to predict the type of planet and layout. I also brought this issue up during the visit to Frontier, and they explained that one of the intents behind the spectral analysis was to give us the opportunity to get that snap shot. It's not perfect for our style of exploration, but it shouldn't be too bad either.

That I am not AS worried as before. The person in question who told me this has the exact same exploration style as me and fully understands where I am coming from.

The context I was missing it seems, was that the filter system gives an overview of the entire system and allows you to briefly judge it based on that. It is NOT only a system to filter out things you want (though you can use it for that). Frontier went on about money and the people on the forums keep telling me if I only want earth likes I can do that. Neither was what I cared for.

However the knowledge that their is indeed a way to quickly judge binary/whatever orbits, proximity, and such even if it's in a way that does factually take longer does go a long way to mitigating my issues.

I only wish some people had taken the time to explain that. I still have some reseverations about time though, but I do know that FD is fully aware of exactly what this thread brings up and that also goes a long way to making me feel better.

Again, this does not negate my thread. But now more then ever I am still willing to wait for the beta to truly decide for myself.

Also a BIIIIIIG THANK YOU to everyone who kept it civil as well
 
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