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KILL WILL volume 2
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you are lucky, theres 2 seats free in the cutter
Good, maybe FD will fix the game.
RNGeers have ruined the passive career choice.
Convoluted C&P with magical police that cannot show up in time (3 seconds?).
A hard, critical look at engineers and admitting to themselves that they've made a blunder thereby rolling back engineers is what's needed.
Or keep fumbling about with crazy flow charts of rules, weeks of playing with shields numbers that never see live implementation, countless weapons balances.
Which will it be?
RNGeers have ruined the passive career choice.
Convoluted C&P with magical police that cannot show up in time (3 seconds?).
A hard, critical look at engineers and admitting to themselves that they've made a blunder thereby rolling back engineers is what's needed.
Or keep fumbling about with crazy flow charts of rules, weeks of playing with shields numbers that never see live implementation, countless weapons balances.
Which will it be?
Isn't it clear?
Drastic change to engineers, whether it's the abilities/effects, or a maximum (<5) qty count of engineered modules at a time on a ship, or for them to be gone completely.
No need for magic police, less need for convoluted C&P, much less rebalancing.
What I really want is in my sig.
I'll just put in my two cents here. Killing the community managers (Will &/or Ed) every time that they stream in open is the legal definition of harassment. While I am not a legal expert by any stretch, here are excepts from the Hawaii State revised statutes & California Code of Civil Procedure(see underlined italicized portions). I think they're pretty self explanatory.
(Hawaii Revised Statutes Vol 14, Chapter 711)
§711-1106 Harassment. (1) A person commits the offense of harassment if, with intent to harass, annoy, or alarm any other person, that person: (a) Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise touches another person in an offensive manner or subjects the other person to offensive physical contact;
(b) Insults, taunts, or challenges another person in a manner likely to provoke an immediate violent response or that would cause the other person to reasonably believe that the actor intends to cause bodily injury to the recipient or another or damage to the property of the recipient or another;
(c) Repeatedly makes telephone calls, facsimile transmissions, or any form of electronic communication as defined in section 711-1111(2), including electronic mail transmissions, without purpose of legitimate communication;
(d) Repeatedly makes a communication anonymously or at an extremely inconvenient hour;
(e) Repeatedly makes communications, after being advised by the person to whom the communication is directed that further communication is unwelcome; or
(f) Makes a communication using offensively coarse language that would cause the recipient to reasonably believe that the actor intends to cause bodily injury to the recipient or another or damage to the property of the recipient or another.
(2) Harassment is a petty misdemeanor. [L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1973, c 136, §9(b); am L 1992, c 292, §4; am L 1996, c 245, §2; am L 2009, c 90, §1]
California's legal definition is a bit more broad (California Code of Civil Procedure, Part 2. of Civil Actions, Title 7, Subpart 3, paragraph 527.6(b)(3):
(3) “Harassment” is unlawful violence, a credible threat of violence, or a knowing and willful course of conduct directed at a specific person that seriously alarms, annoys, or harasses the person, and that serves no legitimate purpose. The course of conduct must be that which would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, and must actually cause substantial emotional distress to the petitioner.
And just in case there is any ambiguity, "for the LOL's" is not considered a legitimate purpose by any court. We also know that destroying Will and Ed every open live stream causes them serious annoyance and emotional distress. Ed stopped live streaming Elite altogether for a time because it was getting so bad. It doesn't matter that the harasser finds it "fun" to do so. It doesn't matter if it is a group of people doing the harassing. It doesn't even matter if the majority of the individuals watching the stream find it funny. It is harassment pure and simple. In any other context, if this were directed against any other individual, there could (and should) be serious legal repercussions for these types of actions.
At this time I can only applaud Will & Ed for their extreme levels of patience that they have exhibited so far and ask that, in the future, we try to be decent human beings to each other. Particularly while seemingly anonymous online.
(Hawaii Revised Statutes Vol 14, Chapter 711)
§711-1106 Harassment. (1) A person commits the offense of harassment if, with intent to harass, annoy, or alarm any other person, that person: (a) Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise touches another person in an offensive manner or subjects the other person to offensive physical contact;
(b) Insults, taunts, or challenges another person in a manner likely to provoke an immediate violent response or that would cause the other person to reasonably believe that the actor intends to cause bodily injury to the recipient or another or damage to the property of the recipient or another;
(c) Repeatedly makes telephone calls, facsimile transmissions, or any form of electronic communication as defined in section 711-1111(2), including electronic mail transmissions, without purpose of legitimate communication;
(d) Repeatedly makes a communication anonymously or at an extremely inconvenient hour;
(e) Repeatedly makes communications, after being advised by the person to whom the communication is directed that further communication is unwelcome; or
(f) Makes a communication using offensively coarse language that would cause the recipient to reasonably believe that the actor intends to cause bodily injury to the recipient or another or damage to the property of the recipient or another.
(2) Harassment is a petty misdemeanor. [L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1973, c 136, §9(b); am L 1992, c 292, §4; am L 1996, c 245, §2; am L 2009, c 90, §1]
California's legal definition is a bit more broad (California Code of Civil Procedure, Part 2. of Civil Actions, Title 7, Subpart 3, paragraph 527.6(b)(3):
(3) “Harassment” is unlawful violence, a credible threat of violence, or a knowing and willful course of conduct directed at a specific person that seriously alarms, annoys, or harasses the person, and that serves no legitimate purpose. The course of conduct must be that which would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, and must actually cause substantial emotional distress to the petitioner.
And just in case there is any ambiguity, "for the LOL's" is not considered a legitimate purpose by any court. We also know that destroying Will and Ed every open live stream causes them serious annoyance and emotional distress. Ed stopped live streaming Elite altogether for a time because it was getting so bad. It doesn't matter that the harasser finds it "fun" to do so. It doesn't matter if it is a group of people doing the harassing. It doesn't even matter if the majority of the individuals watching the stream find it funny. It is harassment pure and simple. In any other context, if this were directed against any other individual, there could (and should) be serious legal repercussions for these types of actions.
At this time I can only applaud Will & Ed for their extreme levels of patience that they have exhibited so far and ask that, in the future, we try to be decent human beings to each other. Particularly while seemingly anonymous online.
Bang bang, pop pop, Will's dead I'm not!
On a more serious note, Fdev really need to learn how to play their own game.
Edit. Blimey, just read a few posts up. Someone get the lawyers....again. Why should they get special treatment? When it's a reasonable representation of Open play, at times.
On a more serious note, Fdev really need to learn how to play their own game.
Edit. Blimey, just read a few posts up. Someone get the lawyers....again. Why should they get special treatment? When it's a reasonable representation of Open play, at times.
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Does Hawian law strech as far as Cambridgeshire.
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Not that I think its right to do what was done but then my knuckles are firmly off the ground and dont see the "fun" in it.
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how can any C&P be effective if ships that are large go boo in 3 secs? Not even the ultralasers of stations deliver that.
And this, my friends, is why you shouldn't live in California... It's not the state, it's beautiful. It's the PEOPLE. It takes a unique mixture of arrogance and crayon eating to quote California law to everyone regarding cartoon pixels in a video game when combat is a big part of it. I better lay off the fortnite tonight, I might get arrested for harassment!
Calm down, trying to shoot anyone at fdev is a running gag. If they didn't want us to try, they'd go into solo or PG. If they had a problem or went bankrupt, they can make themselves billionaires with a button press. They don't have progression. They don't pay rebuy. They don't need to grind mats .
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Never really understood the opposition to this.
In real life, if the police ram your car while you're trying to escape the scene of a crime, your insurance company isn't going to compensate you for the damage.
Sure, real life needn't be a litmus-test for game-logic but it demonstrates a logic that we should all be familiar with.
In more practical terms, the big problem with non-consensual PvP is there there's a massive fundamental imbalance of jeopardy.
If somebody's not interested in PvP it probably means they're doing something else instead.
For the target, the consequences of getting exploded might mean losing progress, losing data, losing cargo, losing an SLF pilot, losing rep', failing missions and, of course, the rebuy.
For an attacker, the only possible consequence is the rebuy.
This imbalance needs correcting somehow and I'd say no insurance payouts for destruction of Wanted ships would be a good way of applying some balance.
As for the whole "PvP would get stupid-expensive" thing, that's easy: Turn off "Report Crimes" and you won't get Wanted status while PvPing and you'll still get your rebuy.
Sure, there's the risk you could engage in PvP with some weasel who turned on "Report Crimes" mid-combat but that'd be the risk you take when engaging in PvP.
Just like how everybody not doing PvP takes a risk when they choose to fly in Open.
i have a question, if you don't mind. are you one of the writers in john oliver's show? [haha]
This place never disappoints
Arm chair Psychiatrists, lawyers, CP complaints, PG/Solo comments, oh and can't forget the classic neanderthal comment, (if they're so dumb why do keep dying to them in game then, I think someone might be struggling here. Send help)
Better get my bingo card out!
Just waiting for the "muh immershuns"
Arm chair Psychiatrists, lawyers, CP complaints, PG/Solo comments, oh and can't forget the classic neanderthal comment, (if they're so dumb why do keep dying to them in game then, I think someone might be struggling here. Send help)
Better get my bingo card out!
Just waiting for the "muh immershuns"
My opinion ...
What is the objective of these streams? To introduce and demonstrate some new game component.
What is NOT the objective? To demonstrate normal gameplay.
Therefore gankers are stopping this goal being achieved. They are most definitely stomping on the objective and spoiling viewers experience. This is THEIR objective - there can be no other point to their activity can there?
Why on earth do FD insist on doing these streams in open? I quit watching after the second gank - it was just wasting my time.
What is the objective of these streams? To introduce and demonstrate some new game component.
What is NOT the objective? To demonstrate normal gameplay.
Therefore gankers are stopping this goal being achieved. They are most definitely stomping on the objective and spoiling viewers experience. This is THEIR objective - there can be no other point to their activity can there?
Why on earth do FD insist on doing these streams in open? I quit watching after the second gank - it was just wasting my time.
My corvette cost more than a billion.