Now I'm concerned how much they'll cost ...
Not to sound ungrateful, but no love for LEP?
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Now I'm concerned how much they'll cost ...
I'm pretty certain the clowns themselves will be free. However, the red nose, curly wig, baggy trousers and oversized shoes will have to be purchased separately...
Naked space clowns confirmed!I'm pretty certain the clowns themselves will be free. However, the red nose, curly wig, baggy trousers and oversized shoes will have to be purchased separately...
Er...
At least there was no photoshopped image to accompany that.
Assuming that I buy any of the products which advertise in it.
By the way I hardly need to point out that this is the second time you've burned your own argument up. All this free stuff that isn't really free at all. You know, just like I said.
I don't think the forum needs any more of this crap to be honest, so I'm out.
I don't think it's anything to do with being petty.
We literally paid upfront for a number of items, and the company decided to make those items free and earn revenue through cosmetics, thereby undermining the previous agreement.
It's not about me vs you or wanting to feel superior, feeling special, depriving other people of things because LEP owners are malicious, evil, selfish or the 4th reich, it's really not.
It's just about paying a bunch of money and the company who was meant to deliver, pulling the rug out and writing it all off as though it's no matter.
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You do realise that it was an attempt to show the absurdity of the discussion?
Except that isn't true.
1) First-generation LEP people did not pay more than those who bought ED + Horizons for the original price. They already turned a 'profit'.
2) A LEP isn't an order, it is a gamble. You save money if you are lucky, you lose money if you are unlucky. You aren't entitled to a set number of premium DLCs. There are no solid promises. You will get whatever comes, and it may turn out to be a good deal or not.
Also, additional stuff was delivered to you since LEP, and you didnt have to pay for it. It also wasn't part of any earlier promise. The 'problem' is that the rest of us also didn't have to pay for it. So you call it 'nothing' to downplay it. That is the kind of behavior people dont like about some LEP folks. Not that people 'hate' you for 'backing FD'.
tl;dr anyone wants more premium DLC, but LEP folk aren't special and aren't entitled to anything whatsoever beyond the 'store stuff' they explicitly promised to give before the end of the year.
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Anyone interested in free hugs?
I don't see (1) being very relevant, I mean do you honestly think anyone from that group has complaints about how things have turned out, or do you think it's more likely the LEP owners not in that group?
On (2) you call it a gamble, but no other pass I've bought from any other company has one side lost and the other side won.
"A pass is a gamble where if you are lucky you save money". Is it really, I thought it was a business transaction where both parties benefit.
Well I mean if that's how it is with Frontier, I will never ever buy anything up front from them again, and looking at how it's panned out nor should anyone else.
On (3) I call free content funded by cosmetics exactly that. I still have to pay for cosmetics remember, yet still paid up front for the content too.
What items have you bought with your LEP which Frontier have made free?
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A bit of a segue now but for me at least I would rather updates be paid and cosmetics be in-game earnable by doing "stuff" than paid items so this assumption that funding the game by putting all cosmetics on a paywall and not charging for updates (hypothetically ) harms no one is false imo
I am, but I am not A LEPer, can I still have them??
Really free.... you are sure that these hugs are not paid for by advertising, or some other nefarious means, or included at no extra cost in some service contract!?
FWIW I've worked in game dev studios ranging from under ten to over 300 people. Given the production speed of those various sizes of teams and projects, and the nature of this game, I think Elite production has been moving at quite a reasonable clip for 100 people. (I understand that's often not intuitive because from the consumer perspective it's quite normal to see games where it looks like production moves faster, but Elite is the kind of production where more work than usual is of the kind that is necessary and time-consuming but not very visible. When comparing Elite to other productions, remember to also compare it to Star Citizen, because SC likewise requires a lot of out-of-sight complexity, and despite a larger number of devs than Elite, the production is slower.)
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Sorry, but than you are just confused about what you bought. Yes, season passes, LEPs and other 'pay up front and see what you'll get' constructs are a gamble. That is why sometimes they work very well, sometimes they dont (CIV 6 was a recent fiasco). And I find it very hard to believe you dont know this. You gave your money to a company that said:"We'll give you all DLC, we have great plans but no clue how far we'll go or how much you'll get." If you cannot recognize that as being a gamble, the problem isn't with FD. Honestly, giving a fixed amount of money for an undefined number of things in return is almost what defines a gamble.
Good for you. I dont mean that bad, but if this is how you respond when a gamble doesnt pan out, stop buying up front. I havent pre-ordered X4 because I know I dont want to deal with the possibility of it being a terrible bugfest at launch, others dont mind as much and give it a punt. But be honest with yourself about it; if it is important for you to get a minimum number of things for a fixed price, only buy stuff where the number of things is guaranteed, which is the opposite of what happens with a LEP.
So we're back to the heart of the matter: your problem is fundamentally that beyond wasn't paid for, and that made you upset.
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Frontier can seriously consider themselves lucky with their current fan base. Rarely have a witnessed people being so in credible "patient", defensive, naive and outright gullible as seen here.
In any other games the devs would have been burned on the staple for this but here we make funny jokes and belittle and ridicule fans who were stupid enough to trust the company. Amazing. We all just forget corporate lies, defend every move they pull and just keep rolling.
I definitely learned my lesson here and the LEP was the last thing I ever spend real money on for this company.
Frontier can probably shut don't the game and just keep on selling paintjobs. Enough folks would be content with that as long as the next update containes "SHIPS" and new "LIMITED TIME PAINTJOBS" Just go the starcitizen route. Yea thats the one other game where that was pulled of. Strange why is it always space games.
In any other games the devs would have been burned on the staple for this but here we make funny jokes and belittle and ridicule fans who were stupid enough to trust the company. Amazing. We all just forget corporate lies, defend every move they pull and just keep rolling.
I definitely learned my lesson here and the LEP was the last thing I ever spend real money on for this company.
Frontier can probably shut don't the game and just keep on selling paintjobs. Enough folks would be content with that as long as the next update containes "SHIPS" and new "LIMITED TIME PAINTJOBS" Just go the starcitizen route. Yea thats the one other game where that was pulled of. Strange why is it always space games.
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Or people just look at what they paid, how much entertainment they got out of that and go:"Neat!". And then you get another round of updates, with really cool stuff in it, without having to pay any additional money for it, and people are happy with their game. So people say:"Cool, the game is fun now, more stuff is coming, this is very nice."
Or they just realise that the lifetime of the game isn't over yet and that they are currently working on the next major expansion.
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