The problem with dinosaur sizes

JurassicMan1984

JurassicMan1984
Hello guys,

i feel not comfortable with most of the dinosaurs in the game not beeing at the correct sizes.

Affected dinosaurs with corrected size indication
Olorotitan 12 m
Chasmosaurus 5.5 m
Styracosaurus 5 m
Nodosaurus 4 - 6 m
Polacanthus 4 m
Crichtonsaurus 3 - 3.5 m
Huayangosaurus 4.5 m
Chunkingosaurus 4 - 5 m
Kentrosaurus 4.5 - 5.5 m

I think the only reason wyh they change sizes is to get dinosaurs prepared to battle each other. In fact the named dinosaurs are far too big or too small (Olorotitan)

Please Frontier. Change this like you did for the carnivores
 

LordTrilobite

LordTrilobite
Where did this myth come from that Olorotitan should so huge? It's smaller than Parasaurolophus. It's still a very large Hadrosaur, but it's by no means the largest. It should be around 8 meters.
 

DragonNTiger

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I definitely agree, a few more size changes are in line, particularly smaller dinosaurs, as it feels like there aren't that many, but there are it's just that they're too big. The addition of Troodon and it obviously being smaller than any prior dinosaur makes me hopeful the smallest animals (namely Deinonychus and Dracorex, which are not on this list) will get shrunk a bit at some point.

LordTrilobite said:
Where did this myth come from that Olorotitan should so huge? It's smaller than Parasaurolophus. It's still a very large Hadrosaur, but it's by no means the largest. It should be around 8 meters.
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There's a website called Prehistoric Wildlife which makes the claim that Olorotitan is up to 12 meters long... I suppose it should be noted that website tends to portray all animals using the largest estimates available.
 

satch

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JurassicMan1984 said:
I think the only reason wyh they change sizes is to get dinosaurs prepared to battle each other.
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That is exactly it, so there is your answer. This is not a more natural and dynamic system as in JPOG, a Rex may get killed by the obviously more dangerous Trike, but would easily pick off a kentrosaurus.

This has been modified to work with scripted animation battles, where a few genes can make any dinosaur kill the other. So would they really make an entire new group of herbivores, downsize every one of the models, and make several new animations?

Because then with the current system, they would look ridiculously small but potentially killing much larger dinosaurs in combat, and the same goes for small carnivores since they all use an attack/defense number value that is basically the same.

I'm just beginning to get into the complications of all this stuff, but don't get me wrong I'd kill to have more interactions, fighting, hunting, kills, etc between all the dinosaurs but I don't know how or if Frontier can be expected to do it with the system in place. I'm talking small carns being hunted and killed potentially by any dinosaur, correct sized armored herbivores, etc. etc.
 

Butter

Butter
For the last time, Olorotitan is only 8 meters long. Stop spreading this nonsense that it was 12 meters. Don't whine about "correct" sizes when you don't even know the actual correct sizes.
 

Player 99234567

Player 99234567
Please no more dino resize requests it was annoying enough when people were constantly complaining about it the first time and even then it was actually justified in the case of giga. All of the sizes in the game are perfectly fine and we dont need them wasting time doing something that adds no new content or gameplay. For the love of god stop making these threads.
 

DragonNTiger

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jurASSaTHICC said:
Please no more dino resize requests it was annoying enough when people were constantly complaining about it the first time and even then it was actually justified in the case of giga. All of the sizes in the game are perfectly fine and we dont need them wasting time doing something that adds no new content or gameplay. For the love of god stop making these threads.
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People are going to request whatever it is they want to request and as long as the mods are fine with it, you can't do anything about it... so deal with it...

And as for "the sizes are perfectly fine" no they are not... lots of dinosaurs are radically off scale, particularly the small ones, which makes it look like there are very few small dinosaurs when in fact there are many... they're all just too big...

jurASSaTHICC said:
we dont need them wasting time doing something that adds no new content or gameplay.
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One, just because you call it a waste of time doesn't make it a waste of time... two, if adding no content or gameplay makes it a waste of time, does that mean bug fixes or improvements to things like animation or AI are a waste of time too? I mean, technically they don't add anything new... they just improve what is currently available.
 
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Sokar

Sokar
jurASSaTHICC said:
Please no more dino resize requests it was annoying enough when people were constantly complaining about it the first time and even then it was actually justified in the case of giga. All of the sizes in the game are perfectly fine and we dont need them wasting time doing something that adds no new content or gameplay. For the love of god stop making these threads.
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Totally Agree!!!
 

MarcWP

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Just wait until the Rex fanboys sees this post and starts ranting about the Spino and Giga being way too big now. LOL
 

mysterydiseased

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jurASSaTHICC said:
Please no more dino resize requests it was annoying enough when people were constantly complaining about it the first time and even then it was actually justified in the case of giga. All of the sizes in the game are perfectly fine and we dont need them wasting time doing something that adds no new content or gameplay. For the love of god stop making these threads.
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For many of us, inaccurate sizes are still at or near the top of biggest issues with the base game. The sizes in-game are far from perfectly fine, this is especially apparent with the Ceratopsids, Stegosaurs, and Ankylosaurs/Nodosaurs. What is the difference, other than some stats, between having a Triceratops and a Styracosaurus in your park? Or Ankylosaurus and Crichtonsaurus? Giving accurate dino sizes across the board will make a bigger difference than you would think, when you find that you appear to have much more variety in your selection. Styracosaurus is one of my all-time favorite dinosaurs, and I'll never incubate one knowing that it'll just be Triceratops basically, with the same exact "absolute unit" status, animations, tendencies, and everything else. Same with Chasmosaurus, and many many others.

Our third favorite:)p) Community Manager, PCrowther, had this to say from the original "problems with dino sizes" thread:

"We've no plans for additional dinosaur resizing. We believe we've made the changes necessary to fit the desires of the vast majority of our community and now is time to focus on what's next for Jurassic World Evolution."

I would be totally content if Frontier issued a statement right now saying that they were halting further development of JWE indefinitely, other than bug fixes, while they go back and focus on giving all of the dinosaurs more accurate sizes, as well as fixing the issues with clipping. But sadly, the developers seem to be under the impression that "more and more dinosaurs (with the exact same copy/paste rigs and animations as existing ones!)" are the way to the big prize. :/

As it stands now, it's greatly disappointing, imo.
 

satch

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mysterydiseased said:
But sadly, the developers seem to be under the impression that "more and more dinosaurs (with the exact same copy/paste rigs and animations as existing ones!)" are the way to the big prize. :/

As it stands now, it's greatly disappointing, imo.
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well yeah I think they do and they are right. As a company, they basically can't waste time to go back and fix dinosaur sizes, only moving on to other things makes sense. I mean, I'm with you on that, but that would be the wrong move. Not a lot of "styracosaurus is the correct size, yay I'm gonna buy this now!"

Like they said, the size changes made were for the vast majority to please...not to mention a lot less work than what they would have to do with all the armored dinos to be accurate scale.

oh yeah I don't think that's cool though about nothing but more copy & paste dinos, but I knew it was coming, and they have done additions besides that already. I just would hope that particular thing has a minimum presence in future dlc's.
 

mysterydiseased

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^ But it's not just Styracosaurus, it would affect 30-40 other dinosaurs that were released at launch. More variety, even through re-sizing, is something that this game could desperately use, imo. Olorotitan is cool and all, but it's basically just another stock hadrosaur. And it's not like changing sizes and re-synching animations would take a crazy amount of time. If they pulled their combined super-duper-forces together, it could be done within a couple months.

An alternative, would be to focus on a select group at a time (like Ceratopsids first, then Stegosaurs a month or so later, etc.), while in the process of creating terrain tools and decorations since those are by far the most requested features to be added to the game.

I get that it was much easier to just assign Triceratops' rig and animations to all other ceratopsids to push the game out quicker, but I think that Frontier should take responsibility for this poor design choice and deliver a more authentic experience which will bring more to the game in the bigger picture.
 

DBlac

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I do massively agree with the Styraco, that boy is just way too big and it would actually allow a more interesting looking exhibit if you could mix it in with larger ceratopsids when it's small, just the difference in size in general enriches exhibits. I often put small carnivores or something in with things like sauropods and stegos just to really bring the scale down, but now the styraco that should be fairly small is as large as any other ceratopsid and theres really very little point to making it.

I have no stake in the rest of this, but i suppose some stegosaurids like the kentro and ankylosaurids other than the actual ankylo should indeed be a bit smaller.
 

LordTrilobite

LordTrilobite
DragonNTiger said:
I definitely agree, a few more size changes are in line, particularly smaller dinosaurs, as it feels like there aren't that many, but there are it's just that they're too big. The addition of Troodon and it obviously being smaller than any prior dinosaur makes me hopeful the smallest animals (namely Deinonychus and Dracorex, which are not on this list) will get shrunk a bit at some point.


There's a website called Prehistoric Wildlife which makes the claim that Olorotitan is up to 12 meters long... I suppose it should be noted that website tends to portray all animals using the largest estimates available.
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The source that site mentions has no reference of size anywhere.

Olorotitan specimen AEHM 2/845 is described as being an older adult individual. It's also one of the more complete Hadrosaur specimens from Asia. It's skeleton is 8 meters long. Of course sizes vary. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence for any Olorotitan being over 10 meters, let alone 12. It's a large Hadrosaur, but by no means among the biggest.

Source:
Godefroit 2011
Osteology and relationships of Olorotitan arharensis, a hollow−crested hadrosaurid dinosaur from the latest Cretaceous of Far Eastern Russia
 

satch

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mysterydiseased said:
^ But it's not just Styracosaurus, it would affect 30-40 other dinosaurs.
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I know I was just using that as an example, but I pointed out the large amount of dinosaurs they would need to change. I mean look, they even originally said they could NOT (or would not) change the sizes on just a few (giga, spino).

But they aren't going to spend the time to do this stuff, it doesn't even fit in with the system which is why they had decided to make all the armored dinosaurs near the same size to each other. It is for the battle purposes as OP noted.

Like I said, I am one of the people who would very much like that to be done, but they've pleased the majority already with the size changes that were implemented.
 
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