I've been VR gaming since the release of the Oculus DK1 - wouldn't have it any other way, barely even touched a flat game since that day either. If I had adopted that ethic I'd have missed out of many, many years of fantastic VR game play!!
Rtx 2080 ti + Vive Pro = Satisfying VR
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I've been VR gaming since the release of the Oculus DK1 - wouldn't have it any other way, barely even touched a flat game since that day either. If I had adopted that ethic I'd have missed out of many, many years of fantastic VR game play!!
I have VR and I don't approve of this message. What do you play then? The VR games landscape isn't as varied as we would like. And you're missing out on genial "pancake" games too...
In fact I'm not a fan of "I can never come back to X" in gaming. SweViver for example "couldn't come back from wireless tpcast" yet now he "can't come back from large FOV". I play VR when I fancy it, I play 2d games when I fancy it. It's not like VR suddenly replaces all games in my library. And with a meagre amount of PC VR units sold, we're not there yet at all.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's out:
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAAIDev/status/1069581913860571138
And NVidia doesn't dissapoint with the pricing: TITAN RTX will be available later this month in the U.S. and Europe for $2,499.
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAAIDev/status/1069581913860571138
And NVidia doesn't dissapoint with the pricing: TITAN RTX will be available later this month in the U.S. and Europe for $2,499.
If the price [Kyennamo don't be triggered pls ;-) ] isn't more exorbitant (can it even be?!) I imagine the rivers of salt will flow. But people don't pay attention to history, this is the same cow poo that NVidia pulled with the 10x0 launch, first offering 1070-1080 and then suddenly dropping a bomb that was 1080Ti. Anyhow, glad I waited. I sincerely hope for 7nm launch next year, pretty please NVidia, I want to build a next gen rig
This is they way they always have done it for quite a few generations. The 70 and 80 series are always out first and the others spread out over a few months after that. This generation is the only one different with the 80ti and the 80 coming out first. The 80ti is always the best main stream card as Nvidia doesn't consider the Titan to be in the same class.
The Titan card has always been the best and ridiculously overpriced for what you get, but it's the best and they you pay for it and this generation will be even more ridiculously overpriced.
EDIT: From the price and initial info I'd say the card is more of a low end deep learning than a high end gaming. This is the follow on to the Titan V, which wasn't a gaming card, but a card that you could game on if you just had to have the most expensive card you could buy.
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I can't play 2D games anymore, it's as simple as that. I have tried some over the past years and I find that they no longer hold my attention, the sense or feeling of dissociation from the experience is just too great for me to feel immersed or have any sort of connection with them, I find them frustrating and dull.
I love(d) the Mario games yet after just a few hours with the new one I have never picked it back up, same went for Zelda, Witcher 3 and number of other big 2D releases I dabbled with for the short amount of time I could bare.
I don't even bother to look at 2D releases anymore, I no longer mod for them, I have no interest in them. I play or mod for VR games exclusively. To be honest, even before the DK1 I had stopped playing 2D games and only played titles which supported stereo 3D or could be modded to support it.
In terms of lack of content, I just don't have this problem, I have games in my VR library I just have not had time to play or finish yet, I have flight sims, racing sims, online shooters, story driven adventures - thousands and thousands of hours of content that I've barely touched the tip of. Hell, I've played thousands of hours in Elite exclusively in VR and I'm still not done with it.
SweViver, personally I'm not a fan. Well I'm not a fan of the YouTubes so called "celebrity" culture at all, they're all a bunch of... .. if you ask me. I don't take them or what they have to say seriously, they're usually getting some sort of backhander to motivate their views.
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The early days of VR were great, REALLY !.
You miss my point completely. Its becoming the norm for big companies to release products which are unfinished and inferior in quality whilst soliciting big bucks for same, soon all manufacturers will say "here's the product you've purchased, in kit form, its up to you to assemble it and make it work", is this what you expect after you've paid xxx dollars for something ?, thats with hardware, don't get me started on software....
Interesting points. I never felt that kind of burnout with gaming in general, although I tend to "suffer" from lack of "quality time" to invest in a game. I am often too tired to play something as ambitious as Witcher 3 for example, because I want to enjoy the story and not fall asleep during. But truth be told, this is an issue I created for myself, and I can still rectify it if I wanted to.
As for this "hundreds of hours of content" I'd still disagree. Many of these "experiences" you mention are quite simplistic in nature and can't really be compared to something the size of Skyrim for example. There are great games, for example Raw Data, but if you look at the core loop it's just a wave shooter with a few levels. Flying sims - yes there are a few (DCS, IL-2, XPlane from the top of my head), same with a few racing sims (asetto, pcars, dirt, f1 something-something). In terms of RPG we have Skyrim VR and Fallout 4 VR (hmmm...). Doom VFR is a nice take on Doom 2016 I enjoyed playing. There are some nice Oculus exclusives, though I can only name Lone Echo out the top of my head (I have a Vive). We also have X: Rebirth VR but people are so burned on the word "Rebirth" that they didn't give it a chance. Which is a pity, I'm currently playing it waiting for X4 VR ;-)
I guess what I mean is, we're starved for high profile games. There is LOTSA poo on steam and on indiegala vr bundle, they can be fun but they simply cannot match the quality of AAA release.
As for YT culture, I don't dig it either. Okay we're old and apparently not the intended audience ;-) To say that I am a "fan" of any YT persona having a channel unless that persona is also a musician (hi Trance Family out there!) would simply be wrong
I kinda like this Sweviver guy and he seemed genuine so far, plus he didn't receive vive pro. Is he a Pimax fanboy? Definitely. Does that discredit him? Naaah. I still like his comparison vids.The are good for information only... Personally, there are only a few sites that I take seriously for pc performance and if they don't do frame time analysis and only show you average and minimum FPS then I don't take them seriously. It's the amount of time spent beyond the threshold of the desired speed that tells you how you are performing, not the occasional drop in speed that you might not even see.
The through the lens shots and other things are interesting but not truly representative of what it looks like. I do appreciate the effort of these people, but you have to put it in context. Sorta like the reviews on Newegg and other sites, people will give bad reviews because they have no understanding of something or believe an economy item should be made out of premium parts...
Sort of like warranties these days? Buy this extended warranty because it might go bad after 90 days...
Skyrim VR and Fallout 4 VR and Elite are good enough reasons (for me) not to need a 2D game for a very very long time. I played flat Skyrim for 1000's of hours, I modded flat Skyrim for 1000's more, I've sunk 1000's into the VR version and also released a few mods, I have still never finished the main quest. I play for immersion, in Skyrim I can hunt and gather, I can create a campsite when it's dark and I'm out in the wilderness. I craft potions and I cook almost every meal I eat. I walk, never run unless there is an in-game reason to do so and certainly never fast travel. A simple quest can take weeks, from gathering materials and food before I head out and then the journey to and from my destination.
I recently started Fallout VR, again 100's of hours in and 1000's more to go.
Elite, 1000's of hours playing exclusively in VR, I have never fired it up in 2D, not once. There has never been a need to, even when I played on my DK1. After many years playing I see many more left.
Minecraft in VR, I never enjoyed the 2D game, in VR I have spent 100's of hours gathering materials, crafting a home, building up a small holding and growing crops.
Flight Sims, well I have Elite and some top notch sim gear, why would I play anything in 2D when I have that on offer. I used to play lots of battlefield mostly as a pilot, why would I play in the dirt when I can fire up the likes of DCS World or one of the other top notch VR supporting flight sims?
Oculus have released some excellent titles and they have more on the horizon - I'd rather give them cash for the next Lone Echo than EA anything for the next mundane addition to one of the burnt out franchises they own.
Going back to battlefield, I used to love FPS games. I couldn't even imagine playing one on a TV set or monitor now. Using a game pad or K&M - no thanks, not when I can reload virtual weapons, actually go prone and snipe, look around corners and pop up from behind cover and take pot shots.... Alien Isolation in VR? Just wow - the scariest game I've ever played, could I imagine it on a screen - nope, not when I can tremble in a virtual locker peering through the vents in stone cold fear. The Doom BFG mod - also execellent, well worth a few quid and something I've still not finished! Yet alone started the DLC.
I'm not a fan of wave shooters, and yes there is a lot of them. All the same, I'm nowhere near content starved. While games support VR, that's exactly what I'll be using. If a game doesn't support VR, sorry I have no time for it and I wouldn't spend money on it.
I play VR roughly 2 hours per night (unless I go to the pub or work on mods), and I'm still not even done with everything I own...
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I can confirm the Vive Pro is a huge leap in image quality compared to the 2k HMD. Also the confort of the Pro is really a nice improvments. My experience is exactly like the OP, the Vive Pro image is "good enough". I would not go lower resolution per degree of view.
My 2080ti should arrive in a couple of days now.. yummy
My 2080ti should arrive in a couple of days now.. yummy
Well son of a biscuit eater, I should not have replied to this topic. I was just looking at how much better it is on benchmarks and it’s about 60-70 better.
My question: did you have to change the mother board for the new GPU? If not, I might be poorer.
Well son of a biscuit eater, I should not have replied to this topic. I was just looking at how much better it is on benchmarks and it’s about 60-70 better.
My question: did you have to change the mother board for the new GPU? If not, I might be poorer.
Half the fun for me was getting the tech to work! The DK1 riftup hack was a great example. You’d switch out the screen for a higher res panel and then there’d be all these flashing lights on the box that did this and that. You’d go into your Nvidia panels and change this for that. Everyone here was so supportive, learning from each others mistakes and successes. You really felt like you were a part of something very new and exciting. I get plug and play is always to be the consumer expectation, but I enjoyed the tinkering, as I felt like I was contributing to helping this new tech go mainstream. So much fun!
I only changed the card and updated the drivers.. Plug and play
The jealousy is real, I'm playing on a CV1 with a 980ti and an i7-3770k...
That being said, I still get decent framerates(50-ish) unless somebody is running full packhounds, in which case I just watch the slideshow till I hit the rebuy screen.
That being said, I still get decent framerates(50-ish) unless somebody is running full packhounds, in which case I just watch the slideshow till I hit the rebuy screen.
Are you being serious? You consider ~50FPS to be viable? I guess you are using ASW full time..?
Truth be told, Elite isn't some competitive FPS game which needs 144Hz refresh rate and mouse with 3000 DPI... Whether ASW or SteamVR motion smoothing, Elite is still perfectly playable on such low fps with these "crutches". Ship movement is sluggish compared to FPS games, and 50fps will be viable with some weird artefacting introduced by smoothing techniques. It wouldn't work in roomscale, but hey, there's no spacelegs yet, so...
Not forgetting that sitting at 50FPS in a low resource intensive area will mean sub 45FPS in many of the games more intensive environments and scenarios. Not even ASW / Motion Smoothing can fill in the gaps when you go sub 45FPS. Based on that I'd have to stand by my point which is that 50FPS is not a "decent framerate" in VR - Hovering around a native 80FPS and dipping to the low 50's in intensive scenarios would be acceptable but still not ideal.
While I don't play Elite in a competitive way, it is entirely possible to do so, I believe many of those players who do are using high DPI mice.... Dipping below 45 FPS in VR or playing with ASW always on has little, if anything to do with competitive game play or first person shooter. It is a question of maintaining a comfortable experience by minimising latency and stutter caused by missed frames / low frame rates.
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