Really, people are tagging first discovered just by honking!

Jack Schitt

Jack Schitt
Jukelo said:
It's not the honking that causes the first discoveries, it's the scanning. But you automatically scan the main star when you enter the system.
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Yes, and anything else that's near or radiant enough to be passively detected. This includes some additional stars in multiple systems, and asteroid clusters.

I had something of an issue with the automatic star scanning when it appeared in beta...

Jack Schitt said:
This is certainly true, and is the way I've tended to play the game in the past. I'm not going to be throwing any toys out of the pram but there's no denying it's a significant change to the way the game behaves, and one that may have implications for the way some players interact with explored and/or unexplored systems in the game.

Some of those saying that auto-short-range detection has always been there are missing the point; while the passive scan prior to 3.3 populated the player's own map it did not grant First Discovery upon selling the system data unless a deliberate point-and-scan was performed. One of the quirks of exploration was that you could travel for hundreds of light years towards a popular destination and only see the occasional First Discovered primary star among the less interesting systems. It was nice little indicator that someone probably stopped there for a deep refuel rather than a scoop-and-go, and if you saw the same name multiple times you could infer that the previous CMDR's journey had been largely parallel with your own. It was a nice bit of passive player-generated content.

From 3.3 every player who does a long-range sprint followed by a data sale is going to get First Discovered on every undiscovered star at which they've scooped, even if they didn't want to. Popular routes are going to be virtual highways of First Discovered stars. This might be internally consistent, and arguably even more logical from a "humanity mapping the galaxy" perspective, but it takes some of the romance away from deep space exploration. Prior to 3.2 you could wonder whether another pilot had passed through this system, or if you were genuinely the first to see it, even if neither you nor any other pilots were ever interested in scanning it. Now there'll be First Discovered tags on almost everything by default. It feels as though something has been lost.

Of course one counterargument is that with the relative speed of the FSS for full-system discovery, more systems are likely to be fully scanned than before and the auto-scanning of the nearest bodies is a part of that. There's merit in that, I guess.

It's one of those little things for which, had it always been this way, I don't think anyone would be requesting a change. But having had the old system for so long, to me it feels as though a tiny little something is being taken away from the mystery and isolation of deep space exploration, even along the popular routes, even as the FSS is adding to it.

Ah well. FD is as FD does. I'll miss the old system, but I won't lose sleep over the new one.
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..., but I've mellowed a little and come to accept it.

But I have to admit I rather like the automatic belt cluster detection. There are a number of systems out there that I First Discovered, and even one or two that I went back and First Mapped, but I hadn't bothered with the belts because they were so fiddly to scan, didn't give First Discovery kudos and paid nothing. As far as I know they still pay nothing and give no tags, but the completionist part of my brain is happy that I don't have to worry about them in future. And if FD ever do decide to do anything with that data, we won't have to go back and re-scan the belt clusters just to get 100% system coverage.
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Unknown Zombie said:
In this thread: The usual suspects remind us yet again that they don't like the FSS.
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Don't worry, the other usual suspects will be along in a while to tell us how awesome it is.

Talking of which, I haven't seen Eagleboy or MaxFactor since the patch dropped. I hope they're both* well.

*assuming it's not just one person with two accounts.
 
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glaukos

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As someone who personally always stopped to scan stars while I was fuel scooping, my first instinct was to feel the way you do. "How dare they take something I used to work for and give it to the lazy, careless jonkers for free!" And when I found an undiscovered ELW, I liked to tag the whole system with my cmdr name. So I sympathize with any annoyance someone might feel that it will become more rare to find systems that haven't already been graffitied with some lazy, careless jonker's name on the star of a system containing a beautiful ELW.

However, after thinking about it for more than a few moments. I'm fine with it. I think the biggest issue is that it's a change from what we've always been used to. If things had always been the way they are now then we wouldn't have any reason to feel entitled or indignant over this. Even though I've lost something to the jonkers, I've gained more than I lost. I can now scan HMCs from 300,000 LS away, and if I want to fly to the planets I can map them. So not only is there a new faster way to do things, but we can still do the old way if we want and be rewarded even more for it. So that's a net win IMO. Also, I've already tagged several ELW systems already, and after the fourth one I started to lose count. It doesn't bother me if it becomes more rare in the future to be able to find and tag a whole ELW system.
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
I like the new system. It only discovers systems that are close by, which most times is the local star(s) and maybe a really close planet. If I'm fuel scooping a star, I'm actually sampling matter from that star and taking it into my ship. Darn straight that should count as a discovery.!
 
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Burke

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It soils pristine systems that people would otherwise just blaze thru. Why should they get those tags? They didnt work for them and mostly they dont even want the system.
 

Vandaahl

Vandaahl
Jukelo said:
It's not the honking that causes the first discoveries, it's the scanning. But you automatically scan the main star when you enter the system.

I see nothing wrong with that to be honest. You still have the rest of the system to tag.
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I agree. I mean you almost took a nose dive into that star. What else should be needed to discover something? Nothing wrong with it indeed.
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Vandaahl said:
I agree. I mean you almost took a nose dive into that star. What else should be needed to discover something? Nothing wrong with it indeed.
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And what about the star 500,000 LS away that you didn't faceplant into?

It should be relabeled "First person to press the honk button in this system"
 
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Maolagin

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DrewCarnegie said:
And what about the star 500,000 LS away that you didn't faceplant into?

It should be relabeled "First person to press the honk button in this system"
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I will grant, it should really be something like "first scanned" for stars. After all, every star in the galaxy is already known to Galmap, so they were presumably all "discovered" by some sort of automated survey sometime over the past thousand years.
 

BL1P

BL1P
What I dislike is that you cannot tell if a system has been honked only for the star, partially scanned or fully scanned before you go there.
Its not like we will ever run out of virgin (un-scanned) systems, why not just let us filter for that ?
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
DrewCarnegie said:
And what about the star 500,000 LS away that you didn't faceplant into?
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If I see a ship wreck through the clear Caribbean waters, hundreds of feet down, and I'm the first to report it, then I get credit for discovering it. I don't need to swim down and plant my flag there. Same goes for that star - if you see it and report it, you've discovered it.

Granted, I realize this could technically open up the "what about ALL the stars I can see" can of worms, but that I'm too busy enjoying these new mechanics to fuss over that :p
 
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[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Old Duck said:
If I see a ship wreck through the clear Caribbean waters, hundreds of feet down, and I'm the first to report it, then I get credit for discovering it. I don't need to swim down and plant my flag there. Same goes for that star - if you see it and report it, you've discovered it.

Granted, I realize this could technically open up the "what about ALL the stars I can see" can of worms, but that I'm too busy enjoying these new mechanics to fuss over that :p
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You can see all the planets too.
So by that logic the honk should 'discover' everything in the system.
Come on Old Duck, you're smarter than that.
 

kpmop

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Some people just don't like the FSS!

Anyway it's pretty much what I'd do with the old ADS and DSS on a long journey - honk the system* & scan the star while refueling. Took maybe a couple of seconds longer (I had a fast scan DSS, but most of the time was fuel scooping).

*(heh, a good % of the time I didn't even look at the system map!)
 

khaos526

khaos526
One of the best things with the new FSS is you no longer have to spend time discovering the obvious as you used to do. Planets not take more time, and to balance it out, all stars get mapped on Honking which is a nice balance...
 
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