I just took a combat ship out. No scanners fitted FSS no keys bound and it handed me a couple free discovereys. I did look too close what they were.
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Really, people are tagging first discovered just by honking!
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I just took a combat ship out. No scanners fitted FSS no keys bound and it handed me a couple free discovereys. I did look too close what they were.
Sooooo we have Exploration gankers now?
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Everything in the bubble should already be tagged. Why is that surprising to you? The game has been out for a while now.
says dave who has 17 posts in the exploration forum
Can't wait till the complaints start that you have to travel too far to find an untagged system
i would be heading out to the other side of the galaxy if it wasnt for the FSS.
They have really screwed up havent they? The more time goes by the worse it seems to get
Edit: roll back fix everything!
They have really screwed up havent they? The more time goes by the worse it seems to get
Edit: roll back fix everything!
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What I dont understand is how systems in the bubble that players have using for 4 years got undiscovered. Did everything get reset? I'm seeing bodies in my own home system that I scanned ages ago and had been discovered by someone else long before me suddenly say they were just discovered and mapped by the same guy. In the grand scheme, I dont care it's just a spaceship game but I am confused.
This is the interesting point. When i first started, of course i wanted to put my name on something.. and for one or two attempts saw unmarked systems and thought i had it done.. it didn't.
There were many systems which players could not tag. Suddenly post patch these systems are available for tagging. Not knowing the reasoning behind it im wondering if its a bug or oversight frontier didn't catch in the new system.. but i think its too far gone now for them to go back on it.
If you've been gold rushing in the bubble as i have getting a feel for the rules that previously made systems untaggable is one of those subtle mysteries that are very interesting to work out. I have my own take on it and its been reasonably effective so far.. but also im sure im just filtering part of the set there was more going on than ive picked out i think
This is the interesting point. When i first started, of course i wanted to put my name on something.. and for one or two attempts saw unmarked systems and thought i had it done.. it didn't.
There were many systems which players could not tag. Suddenly post patch these systems are available for tagging. Not knowing the reasoning behind it im wondering if its a bug or oversight frontier didn't catch in the new system.. but i think its too far gone now for them to go back on it.
If you've been gold rushing in the bubble as i have getting a feel for the rules that previously made systems untaggable is one of those subtle mysteries that are very interesting to work out. I have my own take on it and its been reasonably effective so far.. but also im sure im just filtering part of the set there was more going on than ive picked out i think
Mapping inhabited systems is a deliberate addition, there's a dev comment confirming it somewhere.
As far as I can tell, every inhabited system in the game except Sol, Achenar, and Alioth can be mapped for First Mapped By credit. But any First Discovered By credit granted post-3.3 in inhabited systems that previously could not be discovered is the result of a bug and is going to be removed (of course, this does not include systems that were uninhabited upon discovery and subsequently colonized, like Colonia and many places in the bubble).
TL;DR:
- Automatic DS honk is limited in range i.e. equal to the old basic scan. Need to use the FSS to scan the whole system. "First discovery" tag applies to each astronomical body scanned using either method (not the whole system).
- The DSS still requires that you visit the astronomical body, but its now used to map the body (using probes) rather than scan. "First mapped" tag applies if you are the first to map the body even if it has already been discovered.
- Both first discovered and mapped get you the credits, but mapping is most lucrative and reveals all of the POI's on the body as well (which means you can find stuff).
Read on if you want more...
Don't think its quite as easy as "honking". Sure the DS is now automatic, but the old intermediate and advance discovery scanners were replaced with the equivalent of the basic discovery scanner. I take this to mean (and it is my experience so far) that when you drop into a system the "honk" is now equivalent to a basic scan and therefore of limited range. To scan the whole system you have to use the FSS. As stated by FD, the FSS will let you discover all bodies from the point of system entry. You can of course fly around the system and get more automatic scans if you want, but very slow. All scans completed with the honk or FSS will produce a "first discovered" tag if the astronomical body has not previously been scanned. Note that its not the whole system, only the bodies caught by the scan.
Then there is the mapping of astronomical bodies which will be tagged "first mapped" if the astronomical body has not previously been mapped. To map a body you do need to fly to it and then use the new DSS to shoot probes at the body. This is kind of fun, particularly when trying to get the efficiency bonus by using no more than the stated probe allowance. Also mapping shows you where all of the POI's are on the body, so if the body is landable (and you have Horizons) you can fly down and have a look.
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But those were already tagged before the new system. So I'm not quite sure what you mean...
You have to get out of the headspace of "all or nothing" exploration. I will admit that I used to play that way. An interesting system would be fully scanned, whereas fuel stars were mostly left untouched for future travellers who might be more interested in them. (I made an exception for lone stars at which I was doing a deep tank fill; a few seconds to rotate the ship into scanning position seemed to be a reasonable move here).
Overall the new system is better. Yes, it means changing my mindset a little when it comes to First Discovery tags, but that's a very small price to pay IMO for a system that is more versatile and opens up exploration to players who might not have considered it before.
Probably by biggest annoyance is that my non-explorer CMDR has a somewhat flippant name (see forum name) and when I started playing I deliberately avoided exploration with him because I didn't want his moniker plastered all over the galaxy. But having seen some of the other names on First Discovery tags, I'm not quite as protective of the galaxy's seriousness as I once was.
Good point well put.
Stars are very big and very radiant. Having the sensors able to detect and classify the closest or more emissive bodies doesn't seem too much of a stretch. Also I don't think you have to press the button at all for these passive scans to take place. That's the whole reason some people have got their knickers in a twist over it. You don't have to do anything other than be there (and get back with the scans) before anyone else.
That's been acknowledged as a bug, and AFAIK FD are in the process of rolling these systems back to their undiscovered (and undiscoverable) state. This is not the case for First Mapped status, for which every body is up for grabs. Whether a player treats this as an in-universe effect (new scanning technology now available to humanity) or not (it's a game with new stuff to do) is up to the individual player.
They weren't undiscovered. There's currently a bug where the system map displays the person who first mapped a body as the same person who first discovered it.
About a year ago I found an interesting system. Pristine, untouched. Since it contained 2 WWs and ELW I scanned everything. Not much, 8 planets, 1 moon and 2 stars. When patch came live I went there again to get mapping tag to my name. System is roughly 5k LYs N of bubble. My new Krait Phantom needs ~80 jumps to get there. Whole trip is 150+ systems visited.
I have mapped my target system, the rest 149 I just drop-honk-scoop-leave without even checking the map.
While selling data I got few "discovered first" and those will be the systems you described - just star claimed, rest untouched. As already mentioned - new mechanic, honking makes star scanned. I had my goal on that trip, to get to "my" system, map it and claim being first. Anything on the way was irrelevant. I suspect that lots of explorers had similar agenda - to get to "their" system, map it, tag it and sell the data to finalize the deal.
Now, as I claimed what I wanted I can focus on more complete approach. I'll get to some unclaimed piece of space and start scanning planets. I have my system, time for my sector
Any chance you have a reference for this? To delete the first discovered sounds like a very dramatic response. In the end it doesn't matter though i guess if you mapped it anyway.
EDIT: I havent proven this scientifically, but have definitely seen a few times in my travels these "new" systems being discovered and tagged by different people. Ie, system constains bodies with different discovered + mapped bodies, and bodies that are completely untouched. Lore wise it does make sense that players didn't discover these systems, but they will be killing a few kittens there.
There's another scenario there which contruibutes to my mental challenge in this scenario.. the explicit honk discovers and tags all.. ignited? bodies in the system, regardless of distance.
You can put in a ticket for that. I can vouch for it working
(i made my original accounts name match my forum name). Any previous exploration tags to do not change and stay as they are.
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...yeah but you're talking about the Bubble...
Exploring the bubble is like scuba diving in a swimming pool!
Do it for training, do it for testing, do it for the credits if you wish so... but don't do it for the glory!
Even with the old system if you wanted to put your name on a star or on a planet you had to travel at least a couple of thousand LY away from the bubble. Nothing's changed so far.
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I always wanted to put my name on an inhabited system so i could imagine it was my home system in the bubble.
Well satisfied in that regard now