I'd rather see actual rewards for pvp, ranking, skins, publicity. Incentives to participate. Lower insurance in pvp circumstances (war fighting, duels, assasinations, scenarios, etc.)
Modes I know I'm beating a dead horse, but we need official PvE servers
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I'd rather see actual rewards for pvp, ranking, skins, publicity. Incentives to participate. Lower insurance in pvp circumstances (war fighting, duels, assasinations, scenarios, etc.)
Goose4291
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And where do all those bots play?
Fair point, particularly now FDev forced them into hiding after being exposed in open.
That said, I'd like to think Moobians would equally take a dim view of botting.
Goose4291
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I think its not as clear cut as either side is making out.
While some people do indeed not 'hide' in other modes (because thats the way they prefer to play) there are those that use the other modes as a way to 'protect' themselves from people theyre attacking or competing against (see: the decline of Powerplay, as explained multiple times by people who've been massively invested in it since day one) or to 'hide' their activities so they dont get caught messing with someone elses sandcastle (ie toxic PF vs PF wars).
There is no such nonsense as a "cognitive dissonance" "on the pro-gank side". There is however "Open", the All-group, and instances behind instancing to hide from it.
While there is, what you do not like, "consequences", a cause however accruing ones you exchanging one's stance towards one's goals, switching modes.
Folks are fine in Open.
Mode switcher are not.
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AP Birdman
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In the games current state, I actually believe open only would kill the game as well. As I've stated many times, as well as many others have too, there would have to be many, many changes made for open only to even be feasible. I think open only would be better but I think the amount of changes to the core of the game to make it possible and inclusive for all players would be too monumental. I don't think Fdev have the ability or staff to pull something like that off. You'd might as well create a whole new game.
To all the people trying to argue with my point about a pve server ruining the game for a large portion of the player base, if what I'm saying wasn't true, Fdev would've made a pve server years ago.
You can try to argue with me till the cows come home but those are the facts.
AP Birdman
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Source? How about I'm a griefer and I ACTUALLY see people's responses to what I do first hand.
Tell me Jockey, what sources do you have to argue my points?
Most players play in open because 1: its easier to meet up with your friends 2: it's the only way to meet other pilots in game. If everyone could get the same experience but without the risk of getting blown up by those other pilots while they're trying to run missions, why would you run your missions in the pvp server? Like I said, I can handle myself in pvp fight pretty well but even I wouldn't run missions in a pvp server if there was a pve open server available.
This is a pretty silly thing you guys are trying to argue.
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Wait wat...you agreeing with me on something?
Who are you and what have you done with the real AP IBirdman?
Get yourself lost.
No one needs you here, here is Open.
No one wants you, playing modes your note up to.
Get lost. Keep it to yourself.
Open is all in one.
With and without
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Open space, pun intended, scope in abundance
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I already told you, Frontier. Quotes from Sandro, Mark and David Braben.
I'll take their word over anyone on the forums. As they have the actual information.
Your limited, subjective experience is less than 0.01% of what actually goes on.
Let's look at this block of silliness, as you have no idea or proof over why "most" players play Open;
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Meeting up with friends is easier in PGs, as in Open the MM will try to match up other people as well.
When in a PG the MM connects other PG members only, without randoms getting in the way or clogging up bandwidth.
So if all your friends are in the same PG, you can find each other without having to be in a Wing.
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You can meet other pilots in PGs, so the game itself proves you wrong there.
I've met loads of random folks in Mobius, more than I've ever met in Open.
3)
Dealt with your "missions on PvE" already - the fact the majority of players play in Open disproves you.
So if you'd hide in PvE doing missions, then that's on you.
As other people are quite happy playing Open PvP doing them.
I'm starting to think you're arguing for argument's sake.
As Frontier themselves have proven your points wrong before you even made them.
The Mark Allen quote, the live stream with Sandro plus the live stream with David Braben are all on the WoI linked in my sig.
So if you don't like that FACTS, take it up with Frontier.
As all my information comes from them and is available on the WoI for easy reference.
And their facts trump your gut feelings and limited experiences any day.
Where do people go to get ganked after 1 jump? I've only played open for the past 8 months and been jumped by another player a single solitary time at a CG. I'd love to have more interaction with other players besides "o7" in chat and then they high wake out immediately as if they're running because they're scared of getting ganked.
AP Birdman
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Lol I know right. I need to go take a shower now.
Goose4291
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I feel the same regarding these stories... and Im the sort of player who goes looking for trouble.
On a 'busy' night at a CG system, Im 'unlucky' if I bump into more than 3 such types.
Bob Lighthouse
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This post sounds a bit suspicious to me
Oh look, you can keep repeating a lie....
No one is hiding, from you or anyone else.
We play how we want to play.
If you don't like it, you can always go play EVE Online - everyone has to play with you there.
Sounds like he ran out of things to say to me.
Can I ask a question.. What is the difference between the term 'hiding in solo/PG' and playing solo/PG to 'avoid griefers'? Is it just an objection to the provocative word 'hiding', rather than its actual meaning?
hide
verb
1. put or keep out of sight.
"he hid the money in the house"
synonyms: conceal, secrete, put in a hiding place, put out of sight, camouflage;
2. conceal oneself.
"Juliet's first instinct was to hide under the blankets"
synonyms: conceal oneself, secrete oneself, hide out, take cover, keep hidden, find a hiding place, keep out of sight;
3. use (someone or something) to protect oneself from criticism or punishment, especially in a way considered cowardly.
"companies with poor security can hide behind the law"
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Really? It's clearly meant as an insult - when it comes to words, context is key. There can be no arguement that of the definitions you listed yourself, the use of 'hiding in solo', within the context of these forums, is meant to invoke specifically 'in a way considered cowardly'. It's an endrun around forum rules against insulting people. Now, I play in Open, always have, from day one in a Sidewinder, have never logged into Solo, and not once has it occured to me to slag off Solo players as 'hiding like cowards'. Here's an analogy for you - I go down to the club (local tennis club with big screens) to watch footy on Saturdays, I never go to the local up the hill, because I simply do not enjoy that environment when I'm trying to relax with a pint and enjoy the game - do you think anyone has ever told me to stop hiding in the club?
PS No need for an official PvE server, there are already 3 - Open, Solo, and PG - you can offically PvE in all of them!
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You are making an assumption that the people who play in Solo or PG are trying to avoid griefers. Or that they are trying to stay out of sight, conceal or protect themselves from aforementioned greifers.
I am sure some play in PG because they want to play with their friends and playing in open can make that difficult with the crazy match maker. And some are going to be playing in solo because thats the only mode you can take hi-resolution screen shots or network rubber banding etc.
To make that assumption paints you into a corner.
Looks like Ethaidan and 00nutzy beat me to it.
There was a time when accusations of "hiding" (along with "griefer") were met with warnings from the Mod team.
And still should be in my opinion.
People play the mode that suits what they are trying to do, which is how the game was made and advertised.
If that includes playing in a way that excludes some people, then that is perfectly viable.
I mean I could be here pointing out the 30 days I spent in Open.
Advertising my location to all on the forums and all these "hardcore" PvPers suddenly vanished from the area.
Where they "hiding" from my unarmed Beluga?
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