The day you stop playing Elite Dangerous
- Thread starter Deekin Scalesinger
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I love the game even if I take months away from it at times
Games that do nowt to stop cheating or hacking make me quit instantly. I will not play a game full off hacks. I dropped PUB like a brick. I can spot a wall hacker or aimbot fairly easily and no I can work out when its lag or some other game issue or indeed if the player is very very good. Hackers/Cheaters are scum.
Valve and EA created the early access and DLC culture blame them for the state of gaming.
No quality control.
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I would stop playing:
- monthly fee or some kind of abo typ
- p2w
- game mechanics designed to make you spend money (ironically ED has them,they made me stop playing for months)
- loot boxes
- bugs
- if I get the general feeling that the dev company wants to rip me off (that overpriced vanity stuff is right on the edge)
They want to be EA so.. They have shareholders who want profits
Of course i'm paranoid. Plenty of reasons to be.
My thoughts on the matter?
You have a hugely biaised negative view of the industry and little understanding of why some of these things happen.
Oh do i now???
For once I agree here.
I play as long as I enjoy what the game gives me. Frontier would have to do something very despicable to make me shun their games. I mean, I play Ubisoft games...
I am pretty sure though that Frontier will stay as awesome and humane as always.
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In a way, yes. To understand where I am coming from: there is a problem in games sales prices. When I look around, I pay much more for fuel than just a few years ago. I recently visited Burger King, prices were like 30% higher than I remembered them to be some years go. The same is true for many other aspects, be it Restaurants, Clothes, my electricity bill... prices rose. Most of them not even out of scale. While our inflation is moderate, compared to other times and compared to other countries, we have some. So increasing prices (just like increasing salaries) are just normal.
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In contrast, games still cost the same they did 20 years ago. Game production by now costs many times more than it formerly did. In case of doubt, compare the size and development time of the old "Elite" to a newer version, called "Elite Dangerous". One was built in several months by two people, the other one reportedly has a team of over 100 people and was developed and upgraded over several years. And by all we know, FD still is a small fish compared to some triple-A producers. Would it have cost as much to develop ED as some really big triple-A titles, the game almost certainly would not be sustainable on its current player base.
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For quite a while, the cost increase was covered by the growing gaming market. But the market also doesn't have the massive growth rate any more. The golden times of 20 years ago are gone. Customer demands and thus development budgets are still increasing. You can have the best game, if your graphics and sound don't meet up to date triple-A standards, your game will be a flop. It's a sad truth of game development.
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When the market growth slowed down, already well over a decade ago, publishers tried to compensate for increased production cost by increasing the market price. But I even saw it among my friends: there were plenty around who went like "I always bought games for 60 bucks. I did so when I was a teenager, I do so now. I won't buy a game which costs 70 bucks." Even worse, by now many people don't even buy full price games any more. They wait till there's a Steam sale. Which again cuts into the Developers/Publishers profit.
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And that's where expansions, DLCs and micro transactions come in. If the game itself has to launch at a price which doesn't fully cover production cost and then even needs to go on sale within limited time, the publisher and developer have to find another way of making money. The main game is merely the "foot in the doorstep" to the customers computer. If it is good and enjoyable, the same people who refuse to pay 10 bucks more for the game, are often ready and eager to spend 15 or 20 bucks on just small expansions and cosmetic stuff.
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So yes. I personally would prefer to pay a games worth in advance, to get everything at once, without micro transactions and the likes. But a massive part of the customers rejected this. So unfortunately triple-A publishers have no other realistic option than to go for this revenue stream.
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That all being said: no, I don't think that all of this excuses some behavior which some publishers, most of all EA, displayed. Some of their actions are just unacceptable. I don't get it why some people just take the punishment and just give them money again when their next game comes out. So yes, some publishers try to abuse or also successfully abuse micro transactions. But most of them really just try to survive, without intending to do harm to the customer.
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Don't forget to remove the Capitol ships too as we'll never get to fly them either.
Agreed, that is what I prefer, too
Customers rejected higher prices? Not so much, because the base price of major titles went up by 10$ or 10€ over the last 10 years. Additionally cheaply made but relatively expensive DLC were also a big deal at that time. That was and still is the issue. While content (seemingly and definitely) was and is cut from the main game, the base price also went up. And also at the same time, the product quality in general is going down. A lot of games are being released in beta state despite being advertised as full product.
The customer base is much larger than 20 years ago, larger than ever. The total revenue is larger than ever.
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That all being said: no, I don't think that all of this excuses some behavior which some publishers, most of all EA, displayed. Some of their actions are just unacceptable. I don't get it why some people just take the punishment and just give them money again when their next game comes out. So yes, some publishers try to abuse or also successfully abuse micro transactions. But most of them really just try to survive, without intending to do harm to the customer.
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Only pay to win / pay to fast track would send me over the edge.
I have downloaded games, and the first screen I see is 'goody box of loot, only 300 [insert credit name here], better weapons, experience bonus and unique gear'
Without even starting the game, I have quit, got refund on STEAM. I know when games have that, they're going to encumber game play with grind walls, shoot you in your foot, and debilitate your experience as much as possible so you dip into your pocket.
Atleast with FDEV in the name of prolonging 'game play', they encumber your game play behind grind walls, shoot you in your foot, and debilitate your experience as much as possible but don't charge you to fast track or take short cuts.
It's against my religion to play games that exploit you that way. The almighty 'profit' can be the devil.
I have downloaded games, and the first screen I see is 'goody box of loot, only 300 [insert credit name here], better weapons, experience bonus and unique gear'
Without even starting the game, I have quit, got refund on STEAM. I know when games have that, they're going to encumber game play with grind walls, shoot you in your foot, and debilitate your experience as much as possible so you dip into your pocket.
Atleast with FDEV in the name of prolonging 'game play', they encumber your game play behind grind walls, shoot you in your foot, and debilitate your experience as much as possible but don't charge you to fast track or take short cuts.
It's against my religion to play games that exploit you that way. The almighty 'profit' can be the devil.
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verminstar
Banned
The day I stopped playing elite, I had crashed into a complete restart of the machine three times in a single half hour...(not recent this is going back several months)
Imho, that means the game is unplayable. Now that was not an issue on my end and FD simply put up a wall of silence and ignored the complaints fer over a year...fixed now but that information only came about 2 days before Q4 dropped even though many players had been literally begging fer an update on those bugs fer a year and a bit.
So while the game is, in theory, playable now, I simply have no faith left in the company behind it. Not in their ability to work slower than a glacier melts, but in their customer relations side...its pants basically. Ive seen better player/dev relations on ptw games where the devs dont even speak english, but they try...whereas FD just does their own thing and couldnt care less.
Thats what made me stop playing in the end...thats why I continue to stay away until I miss playing the game itself. Anything and everything FD claims now is more or less ignored...the game itself, playable and relatively bug free and fun is the only thing that can get me playing again.
Quick scan of the first page of the forums and the console subs show the game is currently anything but...which means I stay away until that changes. Im long past the point where I would ask FD fer an update on progress and I just browse through the forums and use that as a rough guide as to how things are working out.
Its a bit depressing...or was until RDR2 came out...now the waiting is much easier and they can drag their feet all they want cos Im all good on this end.
Bugs make me stop playing...the attitudes of those behind the game merely sets it in concrete and makes returning that little less likely ^
Imho, that means the game is unplayable. Now that was not an issue on my end and FD simply put up a wall of silence and ignored the complaints fer over a year...fixed now but that information only came about 2 days before Q4 dropped even though many players had been literally begging fer an update on those bugs fer a year and a bit.
So while the game is, in theory, playable now, I simply have no faith left in the company behind it. Not in their ability to work slower than a glacier melts, but in their customer relations side...its pants basically. Ive seen better player/dev relations on ptw games where the devs dont even speak english, but they try...whereas FD just does their own thing and couldnt care less.
Thats what made me stop playing in the end...thats why I continue to stay away until I miss playing the game itself. Anything and everything FD claims now is more or less ignored...the game itself, playable and relatively bug free and fun is the only thing that can get me playing again.
Quick scan of the first page of the forums and the console subs show the game is currently anything but...which means I stay away until that changes. Im long past the point where I would ask FD fer an update on progress and I just browse through the forums and use that as a rough guide as to how things are working out.
Its a bit depressing...or was until RDR2 came out...now the waiting is much easier and they can drag their feet all they want cos Im all good on this end.
Bugs make me stop playing...the attitudes of those behind the game merely sets it in concrete and makes returning that little less likely ^
