Stop ruining “The Dark Wheel” novella for me please.
Okay FDEV time to make elite fair..FOR EVERYONE!
- Thread starter CMDR Plexus Ironrot
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Stop ruining “The Dark Wheel” novella for me please.
Totally agree engineers should of been a side grades with greater negative effects to keep some sort of balance since we play along side the base game owners but i'm almost 100% sure they were intended to be over-powered to drive sales.
Remind me how much an Anaconda is in Elite credits. I live in London - Millionaires and rough sleeper in the same place.
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Yup, me too
Basically if you don't own the expansion, then don't whine about it.
We own it, we are happy to pay for it, deal with it.
Easy as that
Fly safe
I hated it in wow when people bought the expansion and became stronger and had new places to play in. I worked hard in vanilla to be the strongest and best and strongly complained when new content made me underpowered.
/SARCASM
** I always asume its a set up and its glued to the floor.
***Where r you in the world? I live in Capitalist London paid £150 before release.
**Yet you fell able to tell everyone else what to do. Are you going to volunteer?
So if you're not willing to give him the money - or group together to help him buy it - it's not quite such a meaningless amount after all is it?
** Didn't say in was mingles. Highlighted that it was at a 76% discount
**I think that was just me.
** I always asume its a set up and its glued to the floor.
**Maybe Frontier can set a charity to help gamers in need . Who are unable to afford to game.
Tried the doing the lottery? Euro near 101m oh wait its cost £2.50 to enter.
Why not raise these directly with the Chairman of the company.
I would like a shiny anaconda ? Can I just fly to Hutton Orbital and pick up the free One?
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If standard elite owners are going to face engineered ships, then the base game should provide access to level 3 engineering, purchasing horizons unlocks it to grade 5.
You mean like when corporations instead of taking the time and investment to develop a product just buy a competitor and assest strip or kill the competion >or when football teams buy player rather than develop home grown players then complain when national team cant win games?
Also one word Starcitizen.
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I guess this won't be popular with anybody who was hoping to get Horizons for free but another alternative would be to just spawn NPC-builds based on the detection of Horizons.
High-rank player + Horizons = Engineered NPCs.
High-rank player - Horizons = Unengineered NPCs.
If numerous players are in an instance together then the game could spawn a mixure of engineered and non-engineered NPCs based on the proportion of Horizons/non-Horizons players.
It's definitely silly to always spawn engineered NPC when there are non-Horizons players who don't have access to engineering though.
It's right up there with creating CGs which require planetary landing to participate equitably.
Keep saying the same thing; this is the fundamental problem with creating exclusive expansions.
It fragments the player-base and forces the dev's to create content which ignores any of the features an expansion might provide.
And this is only ever going to get worse when/if we get space-legs and atmo' landings - assuming they're paid expansions too.
I'd love to see, for example, a CG which involved defending surface installations from attacking ships (and, ideally, waves of invading SRVs too) but it's never going to happen as long as there are players who don't have access to planetary landing.
High-rank player + Horizons = Engineered NPCs.
High-rank player - Horizons = Unengineered NPCs.
If numerous players are in an instance together then the game could spawn a mixure of engineered and non-engineered NPCs based on the proportion of Horizons/non-Horizons players.
It's definitely silly to always spawn engineered NPC when there are non-Horizons players who don't have access to engineering though.
It's right up there with creating CGs which require planetary landing to participate equitably.
Keep saying the same thing; this is the fundamental problem with creating exclusive expansions.
It fragments the player-base and forces the dev's to create content which ignores any of the features an expansion might provide.
And this is only ever going to get worse when/if we get space-legs and atmo' landings - assuming they're paid expansions too.
I'd love to see, for example, a CG which involved defending surface installations from attacking ships (and, ideally, waves of invading SRVs too) but it's never going to happen as long as there are players who don't have access to planetary landing.
There isn't a guaranteed shelf life on any iteration of a game. Not only can the developer change whatever they want at any time, a vast majority of the player base expects them to, and not doing so would mean the death of their game. If you don't want to grow with the game by buying new expansions, then too bad. I don't think they should waste an ounce of energy worrying about those who choose to play an old version. They should consider it no longer supported.
Engineering exists and invariably influences the game for non-Horizon players, even if they aren't facing Engineered vessels in combat, in any mode.
This is unavoidable and omitting Engineered NPCs for non-Horizons players wouldn't be any more 'fair' and wouldn't address the advantages Horizons players have.
The current system is essentially pay to win and I do find this undesirable. My preferred solution would be to stop selling Horizons separately and make each successive paid expansion a free part of the base game after a certain point, say 12-18 months.
I often fly an unengineered Viper against Engineered NPCs and by and large, can still mop the floor with them. I'm sure there are non-Horizons players that appreciate the challenge Engineered foes provide.
Regardless, I've never found difficulty scaling to be good gameplay in any game. The full spectrum of NPC quality should exist irrespective of the CMDR, and should be placed where they make sense to be, doing what it makes sense for them to do. If someone doesn't have the tools to face them, they should avoid those areas and refrain from attracting the hostile attention of those capable of fielding such opposition.
This is unavoidable and omitting Engineered NPCs for non-Horizons players wouldn't be any more 'fair' and wouldn't address the advantages Horizons players have.
The current system is essentially pay to win and I do find this undesirable. My preferred solution would be to stop selling Horizons separately and make each successive paid expansion a free part of the base game after a certain point, say 12-18 months.
I often fly an unengineered Viper against Engineered NPCs and by and large, can still mop the floor with them. I'm sure there are non-Horizons players that appreciate the challenge Engineered foes provide.
Regardless, I've never found difficulty scaling to be good gameplay in any game. The full spectrum of NPC quality should exist irrespective of the CMDR, and should be placed where they make sense to be, doing what it makes sense for them to do. If someone doesn't have the tools to face them, they should avoid those areas and refrain from attracting the hostile attention of those capable of fielding such opposition.
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Ian Phillips
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He's saying that not all of Chapter 4's content is accessible, not that none of it is accessible. The grammar is a bit odd, but the context should clarify it.
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I imagine only 2.8% of daily active players don't own Horizons.
There's a point at which you can probably draw a line and say well, upgrade please, it's cheap enough, you get a whole bunch of stuff and we do have to support servers.
I bet every single person posting in this thread owns Horizons.
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I think it was silly to have tangible advantages that were exclusive to Horizons in the first place and I wouldn't draw such a line. If Horizons was simply new locations or gameplay types, that would be one thing, but it's a lot more than that.
I'm strongly of the opinion that there is nothing I have that a user of the base game should not be able to attain, unless it's something that has zero utility for non-Horizons content (e.g. the SRV), and my opinion wouldn't change if there was only one non-Horizons player in existence.
This is the attitude that stops the game from being engaging.
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It's not a DLC. It's an actual expansion which included new system requirements in the mix. Of note, you get ED Deluxe for free when you get an Occulus Rift.
Steam puts Horizons in the DLC category, after all, it is downloadable and it is content.
OP, you're gonna get into trouble with some of the lepers, they want even more $$$ dlcs...
(Not that fdev should listen to extremist lepers
Plus: if horizons is rolled into the base game, how will I recover when I get my srv jammed on a brain tree?
Ermmm, why is it impossible not to make OP DLCs?
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That's assuming they began playing when the game launched.
Customize you ship? Engineers? Are you kidding me? That's paintjobs, bobbleheads, ship kits and engine color, that's customization.