AP Birdman
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That's unfortunate
Modes I know I'm beating a dead horse, but we need official PvE servers
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That's unfortunate
There has been a few good ideas over the years to try and get folks from both sides together.
I personally liked the one where the scanner didn't differentiate between humans and NPCs.
Because right now, I know if I get pulled over, it's because I'm a hollow square and nothing to do with my cargo.
But if there wasn't anyway to tell the difference between NPCs and CMDRs, and people had to cargo scan - getting pulled over wouldn't be so bad.
It would mean I had the best cargo and wasn't because I'm a human.
Also NPCs need their cargo sorting out, as 26T of Bio waste in a T9 is ridiculous. Add this to the above and some folks would attack the best cargo, not just every little hollow box.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Or people can engage with each other, when they intentionally affect one another.
huh, weird concept. Anything but that Amirite?
Indeed. Starving out an encircled enemy is a tried and true tactic, it's been used since entrenchments were invented.
And since Frontier has chosen not to differentiate between PvE and PvP by use of flagging, it's going to be a perpetual cycle. Fortunately, time is on the PvE side, because PvP players won't linger about in a game where they feel it's too sparsely populated by others... PvE players, on the other hand, thrive in such environments.
Sure, "griefing" will always exist. But it's going to be much easier for them to address it if there's a demonstrated way of determining "harassment" from "PvP". Use of fallacies to continue perpetuating harassment is a cop-out, nothing more. Griefers will hide under the PvP coat-tails because they can just claim they're "PvPing", even when it's quite evident that's not what they're up to. It's much easier to determine by a log when someone is trolling another player in-game when both aren't flagged for PvP.
It's truly unfortunate, for sure. Everyone *could* be in the same mode, able to choose freely which activities they wish to participate in... but until Frontier pulls their collective heads from where the sun doesn't shine and heals that bruised ego of thiers regarding not finding the Mythical Holy Grail of Gaming, this is what we're stuck with. And since many in the PvP community decided to sink the idea of flagging, they've only themselves to blame for their misfortune. I do feel sorry for those PvP players who would be accepting of a flagging solution... but all I can say is trust me, you're not alone- we're right there with you, and have been the whole time.
"engage with each other" is quite a broad concept though.
I'm engaging with you right now and we are not in game together.
In fact I spent a whole month telling you where I was in Open and never seen you but we engaged on the forums.
So even though we were engaging each other, we had no impact on each other in game.
So if you want to talk about people engaging each other, then you'd have to include the forums;
Open
Private Groups
Solo
Forums
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Bob Lighthouse
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It hasn't happened yet, far from it.
...any day now then?
Maybe tomorrow?
[where is it]
I'm all for PvE only servers. They can make player ships 'pass through' for all I care so they can't ram/block people either.
Only the toxic minority get their kicks from causing problems for other players, and too many devs listen to them.
Don't care about their 'immersion' either.
Edit: Why not make a Open PvE Mode available and see how many people use it? Let people vote with their logins....
Only the toxic minority get their kicks from causing problems for other players, and too many devs listen to them.
Don't care about their 'immersion' either.
Edit: Why not make a Open PvE Mode available and see how many people use it? Let people vote with their logins....
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Goose4291
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It'd be all well and good until you encounter your first kill stealer at a Nav Beacon, Limpet pirate at a RES site, or what would be my personal bug bear, a rival power player who are using that impervious shield as a way to.game the system or troll you.
Goose4291
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You too dude. Only just recovered, and now on a train back to work.
5 days for free off during a four month contract is not to be sniffed at.
AP Birdman
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I'm all for PvE only servers. They can make player ships 'pass through' for all I care so they can't ram/block people either.
Only the toxic minority get their kicks from causing problems for other players, and too many devs listen to them.
Don't care about their 'immersion' either.
Edit: Why not make a Open PvE Mode available and see how many people use it? Let people vote with their logins....
SMH only a toxic minority gets overly butthurt when they get blown up by another player and thankfully the devs don't list to them.
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That you consider those who do not wish to be PVPed and don't like being forced to as the "toxic minority" and think they get "butthurt" says a lot. Shake your head all you want, but the real toxic minority are those who have wrecked PVP.... yet no one seems to want to blame them.
Goose4291
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It is interesting that a lot of those who complain about being 'blockaded' out of a station by such means are usually the first to sneer about how Blockading doesnt work in game though.
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AP Birdman
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Those who play in open willingly then come to the forum to shame and complain are a very toxic, very small minority Mouse.
You don't see gankers coming to the forums to shame players and call people names do you?
You might not like the way that they are playing the game but they are still playing within the rules. That's not being toxic, it's called playing a videogame the way they want to play.
I'm sorry if you don't want to play that way but it's the way the game is made and the vast majority of players don't have a problem with it.
In my time on this forum I have discovered that the pve only/carebear/snowflake crowd are BY FAR the most hateful, salty, nasty, mean hearted people I've ever seen. Gankers/griefers/pvpers will often laugh or respond in mean ways but all the hate and toxicity comes from the anti-PvP crowd plain and simple.
BTW Mouse, I'm not including you in this and I'm not saying every carebear/anti PvPer is toxic and hateful but some are.
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That is a lie and you know it.
Shame on you.
AP Birdman
Banned
Ok, prove me wrong.
I'm a ganker and I'm vocal about it and I've had more hate and name calling thrown my way on this forum than any other form of social media.
If you don't believe me, go into the PvP section of this forum and read all the anti griefer threads. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Then when your done show me all the threads of gankers and griefers shaming and name calling.
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Lol, can't "name and shame", nice try anyway.
Greetings Mouse
Not everyone shares your sensibility Mouse. Or your thoughfullness - on both side of the fence. We here discussing matters aren't so much appart ...
Hope the new year is gentle for you and best whishes accompany your advantures in Elite.
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AP Birdman
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So you're saying you can't prove me wrong.Lol, can't "name and shame", nice try anyway.
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I find most of those threads silly, not worth reading.
But, you reap what you sow.
As for your side's toxicity, you might want to take a peek in the "Hotel California" threads for a taster.
I love how one side is constantly harassed and badgered by the other (ingame and out) and when they get snippy over it they are slandered (aka carebear/snowflake/etc) and considered hateful, salty, mean hearted, etc.. I'm sorry but that is absolute horse manure, can some be yes, the same for some on the "other side".
This "hate and toxicity" you claim comes from the "anti-pvp" crowd...apparently you need to read the forums more. Because for years, again and again... ONE side has been trying to take features away from others in the game and it has not been the so called "anti-PVP" crowd. Many PVErs including myself have tried to find ways and offered suggestions on how to make PVP more inclusive. Yet which "group" wants benefits more in the mode they frequent than the other modes? Which group loudly vocals that Power Play should be only for their mode, that had to be reminded again and again that even when it was suggested Power Play may be restricted that the Background Simulation would not be and yet vocal proponents of one side continued to hammer that BGS should be restricted to their mode. Which side keep trying to turn Elite into "EvE in a cockpit" and force all players into THEIR mode... will give you a hint... it isn't the "anti-PVP" crowd.... and hell there really isn't an "anti-PVP" crowd... there are those who want PVPers to play in their version of the sandbox and they would like equal version of the sandbox for them. But hey... if one side keeps looking for equality and more options for letting people play their way and the other side keeps trying to force everyone to their playstyle.... you will eventually get a "anti" crowd like you claim exists already... who will backlash and push for eliminating that playstyle since it apparently can't play nice with others.
Yes there is the occasional someone when into open got killed and complains, but you are ignoring a crap load of stuff and dumping on the PVE crowd and this "care bear/ Snowflake" is blatantly tired of putting up with it.
Happy New years to you as well Dietger ^,^. And may you have fun ingame and out.
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