That's rather the point, they didn't need the help, rather like all the other games they produced before and since ED.
Will you pre-order the next DLC? I will... and that's why:
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That's rather the point, they didn't need the help, rather like all the other games they produced before and since ED.
The KiskStarter was created to mitigate risk by gauging interest and generate funds. The funds contributed to the development of Elite Dangerous.
What's your point here, exactly?
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i see what you are saying but you are taking it too far.
people kicking in £5 does not mean they would have been happy to buy the game, nor does it mean they would have been happy to buy the LTP.
now.... if you had said made it entirely clear they could have just pledged £20 (base game) or £70 (life time expansion with base game) then you would have had a point.
but then..................... i thought they DID make that pretty clear. the rest was just fan service and what not.
I get that you are bitter, and i assume it is largely due to mac support being dropped but that is not really relevant. a £5 donation would not have indicated whether a person would have been prepared to buy a full priced game.
should FD have gone the way of KSer or was it taking the mick a bit? maybe they were but they were not the 1st to do it, nor the last. You and I both knew FD were a big company presumably and not really in the spirit of why the KSer was made so you did have your chance to protest by not backing.
I honestly think if only 5K old duffers had kicked in a total of say £50K FD may well have thought twice about releasing the game.....
Technically yes, as I signed up to the beta package thingy which I had to wait for
I probably will provided it's stuff I want.
Missions:
Flesh out military and Aegis career paths. Possibly even pro Thargoid missions.
Ship boarding and on station/outpost gameplay. Which should include some FPS elements as well as stealth and tech missions (e.g. sneak into base and retrieve data/activate satellite or somesuch).
Atmo planets..? What would be the point of scooping gas giants? I mean if there were Thargoid installations in the gas clouds that we could interact with maybe. Somebody who's thought it through more than I could expand on that.
Rewards that are engineer material heavier and credit lighter for missions.
Engineering for the human and hybrid tech we have now. Specifically the weapons. There's no point using the new human weapons as they are vastly inferior to engineered standard weapons. Maybe an engineer mod that specifically attacks shield boosters through shields.
Missions:
Flesh out military and Aegis career paths. Possibly even pro Thargoid missions.
Ship boarding and on station/outpost gameplay. Which should include some FPS elements as well as stealth and tech missions (e.g. sneak into base and retrieve data/activate satellite or somesuch).
Atmo planets..? What would be the point of scooping gas giants? I mean if there were Thargoid installations in the gas clouds that we could interact with maybe. Somebody who's thought it through more than I could expand on that.
Rewards that are engineer material heavier and credit lighter for missions.
Engineering for the human and hybrid tech we have now. Specifically the weapons. There's no point using the new human weapons as they are vastly inferior to engineered standard weapons. Maybe an engineer mod that specifically attacks shield boosters through shields.
[haha] Sorry Weps, you've got me completely wrong. I'm not offended by the n word, it wasn't considered to be offensive in the UK until very recently. It wasn't particularly common in Scotland, because there are very few dark skinned people up here. My point is that a great many people- including yourself?- seem to consider it the absolute worst and most offensive thing, ever. It's not, it's just a word and it's in common, everyday use amongst the people we're supposed to feel most wary of using it around.
Now that's depressing! We've become so concerned about potentially hurting the feelings of people we've never met that we've closed off entire conversations, we've forbidden ourselves the use of a vast number of words and phrases and we're now being held hostage by politically correct busybodies who use our weakness to police our language.
The use of Orwellian Newspeak in my post was deliberate. George Orwell lived in similar times to our own. Left leaning authoritarians were taking advantage of social turmoil and upheaval to impose their World View on the general population. Their reasoning was that if you somehow control language, you can control thought processes.
Orwell's books were intended as a warning, but the current crop of perpetually offended snowflakes seem to be using them as some kind of blueprint.
Like I said, I'd rather we were thick skinned enough to shrug off whatever words get bandied around, even if it means casual insults invoke truly horrific conditions, like leprosy.
Back at the beginning i got the LEP. Naive etc.
If i knew what was in the future i would have skippet that.
Last few years have given gamers microtransactions etc in fully payed for games.
So now, i use only platforms that support refunds.
I do not preorder AAA GAMES anymore.
If i knew what was in the future i would have skippet that.
Last few years have given gamers microtransactions etc in fully payed for games.
So now, i use only platforms that support refunds.
I do not preorder AAA GAMES anymore.
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My point is that backers are expected to assume the risks without any knowledge of the factors behind the risk, and the organisation best placed to work out the risks, that is the developers, stood to one side and inferred it was all down to us.
I trust this is not too dramatic
I'd add this applied not just to Frontier, but to crowdfunding as a whole.
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Well, if you feel that way about crowdfunding, I sincerely hope you stuck to your guns and didn’t support the KickStarter.My point is that backers are expected to assume the risks without any knowledge of the factors behind the risk, and the organisation best placed to work out the risks, that is the developers, stood to one side and inferred it was all down to us.
I trust this is not too dramatic
I'd add this applied not just to Frontier, but to crowdfunding as a whole.
For the rest of us who knew and understood the risks and contributed the funds anyway, our gamble paid off - we now have an Elite game!
If you didn’t contribute to the KickStarter, but are playing Elite Dangerous - you’re welcome. No need to thank us.
Pretty sure that he is a backer but just vents his frustration about mac support being dropped.
Pretty sure that he is a backer but just vents his frustration about mac support being dropped.
That's partially true, but I'm sure I'll grow out of it
However, that doesn't really have any bearing on the point made. I've got one or two KickStarters under my belt, but that also doesn't have any bearing.
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How could you possibly have known the risks, only Frontier had the slightest idea of what was involved and what would be required?
Like the rest of us you took a gamble, the gamble that Frontier has been happy to take with subsequent products.
The only 2 risks I was concerned about were:
1. That the KickStarter didn’t reach its target, and the game wouldn’t get made.
2. That the KickStarter reached it’s target, and the game got made but wasn’t a game worth paying for once it was released.
Thankfully, both these concerns turned out to not be true, so i’m Happy I invested my money.
I wasn’t aware Frontier did KickStarters for other products. Even if they did, I don’t care.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
You let me know when that game shows up eh?
Me - I'm still waiting to play the game I was told about (and sold) in the KS.
DB is now a multi millionaire because of ED - he wasn't before - to the tune of... wait for it, £190 million.
Let me let that sink in - the CEO of FDev gained a personal fortune of £190 MILLION based on the success of ED's development (paid for by us) and the raised profile of the company as a result.
Surely if he's got an ounce of faith in his own company and product, FDev won't need pre-order money as DB would be entirely happy to self fund the project knowing it's going to be the best expansion for a space sim ever and people will be falling over themselves to buy three copies - 1 to play and 2 spares "just in case" they break one, and he'll make even more money than he personally invested.
No-one (but the tax man) can tell others what to do with their money - but the idea that FDev needs financial support and that by giving that support they ensure a better product is laughably naive, like "not living in the real world" naive.
And in the light of the fact that so far, to date, FDev have missed every deadline and FAILED to fulfill every release requirement as laid out, what on earth makes a person think throwing more money at a company who's share price rocketed from 170 (give or take) to 1,880 an increase of 1,710% in the four years since ED was being developed - is going to make the slightest bit of difference?
Oh and lets not forget "all money that goes to the company goes into the same development pot"
and that FDev are currently developing not one but TWO new franchises for release in 2020 and 20XX ON TOP of whatever else they are doing for JPW and Planet Coaster.
So any ED DLC preorder money anyone gives them will get used for those projects as well - with an unknown, if any, benefit to ED.
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Rafe Zetter
Banned
Buying the game is showing appreciation enough that the product is worthy of your money.
Why do people think they have to keep paying for something repeatedly as a "sign of appreciation"?
Do you do that when you buy shoes? - you buy shoes then 6 months later go back and tell them just how amazing the shoes have been and you've walked so many miles in them and they have turned out to be such excellent value per mile you'd like to give the company more money for an unknown product, on the promise they will keep making shoes you like?
Does that sound like something a sensible person would do or the act of a lunatic?
Rafe Zetter
Banned
mwahahaha - great freudian there - am I the ONLY one who spotted this?
Surely not?
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really? the ONLY one?
Rafe Zetter
Banned
It wasn't free - why are SO MANY people being so thick headed and saying it was despite the HUNDREDS of posts that PROVE "BEYOND" DOUBT IT WAS NOT FREE.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
It's NOT about hating it - although that sure ain't hard - how's 3.3 coming along - all patched up and groovy yet?
No, didn't think so.
It's about the delusion that beyond contained enough stuff that it COULD have been sold as a standalone package, but that FDev decided to be nice and make it FREE.
Beyond was:
FIXING - C & P (lol, you call that "fixed"?) - CONTENT PAID FOR WITH THE BASE GAME
FIXING - Mining (expanding on the woefully inadequate FOUR YEAR OLD placeholder) (5/10 - still needs work) - CONTENT PAID FOR WITH THE BASE GAME
FIXING - Exploration (expanding on the woefully inadequate FOUR YEAR OLD placeholder) (6/10 - still needs work) - CONTENT PAID FOR WITH THE BASE GAME
FIXING - Engineers (lol) - PAID FOR WITH HORIZONS
What's left?
Oh yeah FIXING Guardian sites so it's not such a mindnumbing grind and almost unfathomable activity without a 3rd party tutorial.
err what did I miss?
Oh - Adding some more thargoid varients that live in thier own instances that can be UTTERLY IGNORED.
Adding some admittedly nice new SLF's.
anything else?
New ships isn't content and doesn't count - even less so when said ship is an almost carbon copy of another one, with a different spoiler on the back.
They could have added the ships to the store and I doubt anyone without an LEP would have minded paying a few quid for one.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
*holds hand up* Oh that's an easy one prof...
*ahem* Like my Da' used to say "if you are going to screw someone at least do it properly."
@ madmike - Yes I completely remember what was said about the ships and internals plus visible damage SHOWING those internals.
I wish more people would - or go back and watch the dev blogs to educate themselves - maybe more forumites would stop saying "we got what we paid for, and I'll give them more money when they pass the that around next time, without telling us anything, coz so far they have delivered what they told us".
Rafe Zetter
Banned
If a game developer asking for KS money doesn't get whats needed and walks away that shows an INCREDIBLE lack of faith on thier part.
It's also INCREDIBLY ironic that this may well have happened by a developer who's CEO along with Ian Bell spent a ridiculous amount of time, developing and fine tuning the original elite so it had the VERY MOST features it was possible to have, all self funded.
They wrote and re-wrote hundreds of lines of BASIC code, multiple times, to reclaim 1 byte here and 1 byte there so they could add 1 extra feature or increase the scope of another by 1 byte.
The original Elite used EVERY SINGLE BYTE available - not a single one was left over, not one.
It was without doubt a feature of software engineering that has yet to be equalled in all the years since.
Which is also why I get so goddamn mad when I see what DB has produced now - a buggy, mixed up bag of parts with all the finesse of a bag of spanners, with no almost no cohesion between the "features" and so utterly convoluted in it's code that anytime they add something, three or more things break.
Maddening.
It's like the DB then and the DB now are two entirely different people - and the DB now, never met the DB then. Funny what £190 million does to a person, eh?