High End materials gathering is quite simply worse than before...please acknowledge...

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It was a simple question requiring a simple answer, but you carry on ducking it, I don't mind at all. I have been discussing the topic with everyone, only you cannot seem to get past my evil attacks and return to the discussion, I didn't realise I wounded you so. Sorry mate. ;)

I haven't ducked anything, I've opted out of restating an opinion to a poster who already replied to it with salty personal rubbish. I'll happily carry on discussing the actual game mechanics with people who want to do that, whilst laughing at you and the usual bevy of ignore function failures.
 

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I haven't had any trouble finding stuff. HGEs and mission targets have been producing well, and raw mats are easy to find at geo sites.
 
I haven't ducked anything, I've opted out of restating an opinion to a poster who already replied to it with salty personal rubbish. I'll happily carry on discussing the actual game mechanics with people who want to do that, whilst laughing at you and the usual bevy of ignore function failures.

I don't see you discussing anything with anyone, I see you crying like a little girl about me calling you stupid (which I even edited and took back) at the beginning of the thread and pointedly not taking part and citing 'personal attacks' since then.

Boring...grow a pair and discuss, or block me, or I will you.
 
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I haven't had any trouble finding stuff. HGEs and mission targets have been producing well, and raw mats are easy to find at geo sites.

Ditto. Finding systems in certain states is a breeze if you are in a PMF affiliated squadron as the allegiance tab shows system state and has a galmap quick link.
 
I don't see you discussing anything with anyone, I see you crying like a little girl about me calling you stupid (which I even edited and took back) at the beginning of the thread and pointedly not taking part and citing 'personal attacks' since then.

Boring...grow a pair and discuss, or block me, or I will you.

Shush now, grownups talking.
 
Ditto. Finding systems in certain states is a breeze if you are in a PMF affiliated squadron as the allegiance tab shows system state and has a galmap quick link.

In certain states it is a breeze. It's the other states that are the problem.
 
Shush now, grownups talking.

Let me try a different approach. I apologise for being a bit aggressive with you at the beginning of the thread, as much as I did honestly believe (and still do) that you are just playing devil's advocate for your own entertainment, it was still unnecessary. I didn't expect you to take it so badly either, so lesson learned there. I thought we had a better understanding over the years.

So...can we talk lseriously now, cos if you're just trolling as I now 60% believe, I want to at least lead you down a path from which you can't return, then hit you with a closer. Or you genuinely believe there's no problem here (which I would find astonishing, despite your confession that you don't g5 your stuff, I assume you understand that most of us do?), and I need you to understnd why it IS a huge problem, so you aren't working against us and the greater good. k? Peace?
 
I've not experienced any problems locating specific system states. If I did it would be irrelevant as rather than grind at specific mats I grab any G5's then trade them at 6-1 (as I've already explained).
Ah, so your solution is: Ignore problems and use a workaround.
You should really work in IT support.
User: Mr. Stigbob my mouse isn't working anymore since the latest updates.
Stigbob: Mine is working fine. You are doing it wrong, use your keyboard instead.
 
I spent pretty much all of yesterday farming HGEs.

I was initially looking for easy things that spawn in a number of states, such as CDCs, MGAs, PLAs, PHRs etc. But then I started looking for the more specialised stuff, that I HAD NO PROBLEM FINDING BEFORE 3.3.

I went looking for Pharmaceutical Isolators. I'm a pretty experienced gatherer, I know how to find these. You need a faction (any faction will do now, in a system, it doesn't need to be the controlling one) that is in outbreak state, combined with an HGE spawn (which now also needs to belong to the outbreak faction and be in the outbreak state) in that state. So, I went to eddb.io, and I listed up all the systems where the controlling faction was in Outbreak state. There were some obviously better candidates including one with 25m pop and high tech economy! Jackpot, I'm thinking. I go to the system, I scan the USSes with my FSS, I've become SUPER fast at that now. The last two USSes were both HGEs, that is already EXCELLENT going in the current state of the game, but imagine my glee when one was in Outbreak state and had 33 minutes left!! It wasn't even that far away. Off I went. A few minutes later I arrive in the USS. There hanging in space in front of me, are...12 Proto Heat Radiators. That's odd. I think to myself.

I relogged (current exploit) to get another pop at the HGE, logged in, SC, turn around, drop back in. Again, PHRs. I look at the system map and the states of the factions. Sure enough, this factoin is in boom (which produces HGEs containing PHRs) AS WELL AS outbreak. This would be fine if the HGE I was in was marked 'Boom'. But it wasn't. It was marked outbreak. And did not contain pharma isolators.

Never mind I thought, with that kind of luck, I might find more in another system. I checked all the remaining 4 systems within 100ly of my position that were in outbreak. Not a single one had any HGEs of any kind.

I gave up on Pharma Isos at that point and thought I'd try some improvised components. Again I head to eddb and I list up all the systems that are currently experiencing Civil Unrest, it was 4, and of those, only 2 had Civil Unrest as primary state. Not looking hopeful. Anyway, I dropped into all 4 of those systems. Only one had an HGE, and of course it wasn't civil unrest state.

Pretty annoyed at this point, I started really abusing the exploit. I farmed until disappearance every single HGE I found until I was completely full of CDCs, PHRs, MGAs, PCs, PLAs, I then went to Sirius to trade them. Each 100% FULL other grade 5 (100 materials), when ALL are traded for the OTHER grade 5 you want, give you conversion rate of 100 to 16.

100 to 16.

16.

That's ONE HGE (one usually contains 15 materials on average) if it contained what it should (maybe two at a stretch), in exchange for an hour of using an exploit. Even with the exploit in place, this is cruel and unusual. Without the exploit, there will be no method of farming decent quantities of materials that spawn in secondary and tertiary system states.

We are now 1 month into this. I realise that still isn't long enough for the BGS to do what it needs to do to generate more varied states across the bubble, but that's not my fault. I have ships to engineer.

What concerns me greatly, is that the exploit (the only method to get some of these materials in any quantity) is about to be closed and as yet, we have not heard anything about a solution to the underlying problem...

There are not enough HGEs being spawned and their state cannot be predicted, removing any skill that there was before.

At this point, even with the exploit in place, I'd rather see HGE gathering go back to how it was before. Please, please, FD, hear me, this is the most important thing in the game right now, as it was supposed to be addressed and made better and has been made much, much worse.

Even if you believe that we need another month for the BGS states to sort themselves out, please say that, please at least acknowledge that this isn't what was intended and that you are looking at improving at least HGE spawn rates to beta-like levels (5 to 10 in a system).

Thanks in advance.

Don't be daft.

What you're supposed to do is go to places like the Jameson crash site or the Bug Killer crash site, mindlessly re-log there for a couple of hours and then scuttle off to a mat-trader to swap the stuff you have for 1/6th of the stuff you actually need.
 
Shush now, grownups talking.

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Ditto. Finding systems in certain states is a breeze if you are in a PMF affiliated squadron as the allegiance tab shows system state and has a galmap quick link.

Well, what if you're not?

Also, farming G5 mats from other system states and then trading them for the material you -actually- need is a workaround in the most literal sense. If the HGE system isn't broken currently then why do this workaround, and not just farm the mats you need directly, as promoted ingame with specific descriptions on where to find the materials?
 
Don't be daft.

What you're supposed to do is go to places like the Jameson crash site or the Bug Killer crash site, mindlessly re-log there for a couple of hours and then scuttle off to a mat-trader to swap the stuff you have for 1/6th of the stuff you actually need.

I did that as well, got my Jameson farming technique down to 3 seconds per Adaptive Encryptor over an average. That is now the single most efficient data to farm, of any grade. You cannot get any other data faster (I have a ridiculous fast PC, it takes me 10 seconds to log out and in when the server is on point, longer recently). As a side effect I've become so skilled with the turret, just swing it around, stop on target every time. The skimmers are in trouble. lol.
 
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I had thought it was understood that these mechanics were never intended to support people who want to Engineer entire Wings, let alone Fleets of ships in a short time span. You did say ships, plural.

Have you (legitimately) considered that perhaps the problem is less with the game, and more your desire/mentality, or your process in general?

You've played World of Warcraft, so you know what happens when they introduce a new Reputation that has goodies - it's generally time gated, and you literally can't go faster no matter how much you might want to. Be thankful that no such thing really exists in this game. In fact, this game allows you an unlimited number of hoes that you can go row with, should you choose to do that to yourself.

Have you also (legitimately) tried using the Galaxy map, instead of trying to short-cut with a third-party site? I would recommend doing so, and comparing the results that you get. Stigbob has mentioned twice now about being part of a PMF, is that not worth looking at? I have never taken part in that, so I don't know.

Did you end up getting the Midnight paint jobs that you asked for? They were available for a time, and I made a thread specifically to let you know that (in case you were away/weren't aware), but it got pushed down by the usual crap pretty quickly.

Riôt
 
I have seen a couple of posts saying that spawn rates of HGEs in general were higher in Beta.
Could well be that the rng regarding mat type vs faction state is intentional, however, actual mats spawned does not seem correct.
And there's an assumption here that the mechanic has not completely changed. I would hope not.

During the beta, you couldn't shake a stick in any random system without hitting a HGE with it. It was an insane number of HGEs and anybody was aware that it probably would change. (And still there were enough bug reports and complaints about it. )

What nobody was able to test was the actual distribution based on states. Just like when the patch landed, the beta also had no states. That's not surprising, as the BGE there also moved to the new system. So due to a lack of "chaos" in the BGS system and thus due to a lack of the possibility to test, this aspect went life without being tested and thus without any feedback on it.

Only now we can actually see how the system works in connection to the reworked BGS. Thus now i would wonder: is this intended? I doubt so. If it's not, i'd expect a patch for it in the next time.
 
If we all add Stiggy as a friend ingame, maybe we can watch where he finds his HGE's, coz I sure as heck need assistance. It is almost as bad as trying to figure out what wifey means when I'm supposed to be a mind reader and all I can get is 'fine'.

I despise the jameson crash site. I wish he couldve crashed somewhere more condusive to SRV's. I always get the right hump there.
 
I had thought it was understood that these mechanics were never intended to support people who want to Engineer entire Wings, let alone Fleets of ships in a short time span. You did say ships, plural.

Have you (legitimately) considered that perhaps the problem is less with the game, and more your desire/mentality, or your process in general?

You've played World of Warcraft, so you know what happens when they introduce a new Reputation that has goodies - it's generally time gated, and you literally can't go faster no matter how much you might want to. Be thankful that no such thing really exists in this game. In fact, this game allows you an unlimited number of hoes that you can go row with, should you choose to do that to yourself.

Have you also (legitimately) tried using the Galaxy map, instead of trying to short-cut with a third-party site? I would recommend doing so, and comparing the results that you get. Stigbob has mentioned twice now about being part of a PMF, is that not worth looking at? I have never taken part in that, so I don't know.

Did you end up getting the Midnight paint jobs that you asked for? They were available for a time, and I made a thread specifically to let you know that (in case you were away/weren't aware), but it got pushed down by the usual crap pretty quickly.

Riôt

Is Galmap accurate/reliable for system states?
If it shows for example, Civil War, will the controlling faction be in Civil War?
 
I had thought it was understood that these mechanics were never intended to support people who want to Engineer entire Wings, let alone Fleets of ships in a short time span. You did say ships, plural.

Have you (legitimately) considered that perhaps the problem is less with the game, and more your desire/mentality, or your process in general?

You've played World of Warcraft, so you know what happens when they introduce a new Reputation that has goodies - it's generally time gated, and you literally can't go faster no matter how much you might want to. Be thankful that no such thing really exists in this game. In fact, this game allows you an unlimited number of hoes that you can go row with, should you choose to do that to yourself.

Have you also (legitimately) tried using the Galaxy map, instead of trying to short-cut with a third-party site? I would recommend doing so, and comparing the results that you get. Stigbob has mentioned twice now about being part of a PMF, is that not worth looking at? I have never taken part in that, so I don't know.

Did you end up getting the Midnight paint jobs that you asked for? They were available for a time, and I made a thread specifically to let you know that (in case you were away/weren't aware), but it got pushed down by the usual crap pretty quickly.

Riôt

I did get my paintjobs, thanks, and I made a thread thanking the devs for that, a couple of kind people also PMed me the news, thanks for your efforts. Shame the mamba is such a piece of crap lol. Anyway, regarding gameplay techniques. Yes, I have considered what you say, or rather, I'm gaming for so many years that those considerations are always automatic. I can see what the logic was here in terms of the way they 'tried' to improve the process of finding HGEs and balance that ease out with some additional RNG, so it wouldn't be too easy. But combined with a very unfortunate BGS reset, those who pvp and do a lot of theorycrafting (for the benefit of this community, I do post a lot of theorycrafting stuff), to be able to put in a reasonable amount of work (I was unhappy but I could live with the old system, it was laborious, but I Accepted these things shouldn't be free) now find themselves in the unvcomfortable position of running out of high end materials, being forced to farm endlessly to get enough for the crappy trade rate, because the ones you want are now not just difficult, but near impossible to get. You just have to hope you get lucky and go to a system that has a faction in outbreak, and that that faction owns the one or if you're really lucky TWO HGEs that MIGHT spawn. It sucks hard and is below the expectations of quality for this type of game.
 
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