Open PvE Mode
- Thread starter Brrokk
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DW2 was announced as purely private group action without even think or discuss possibility that some of attending cmdrs will not have enough experience how prepare sbip if come to such widely announced start point in open play (on top in lowsec system) ... it's similar to come with explo build with cargo to compromised nav-beacon.
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I don't know if I'd personally use it unless it became where the majority of players are, but I'm 100% in favor of an "official" PvE mode. Mobius exists, and is wildly popular. I'd just as soon see it made official so everyone who wants that style of gameplay can more easily find it, and you don't need humans in the loop to administer it.
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Indeed it was, but still thousands flew in open. The organisers I believe warned players that Open was a bad idea.
However, even taking a low sec system into account, 900+ commanders in one short 2 hour slot is well, somewhat more than would be expected without organised disruption by people who's sole intent was to spoil the event for people.
This sort of thing has been on the high recently. my take on it is just make it happen... keep the peace.
I mean really is just another mode like the hundreds of Private groups and such that exist. except it is overseen by a few key individuals that punish aggressive player actions such as ramming, aggressive fire, ganking and the rest. I must say, if such a mode was added I would definitely use it instead of hiding in Solo the whole time so I don't get ganked in the first minute of joining open ( am not joking about that either, as soon as I took off from Jameson Memorial two players sandwiched me in the airlock
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Quite honestly I don't see the reason for the massive backlash, if a large majority of people want it and it is easy to do, then do it... it isn't exactly game breaking. as what is the difference between this mode and PvE groups like mobius? aside from one being easily accessible to everyone and not having it's own fan club sign in process?
Although on the counter to this suggestion, it does sort of go against the "blaze your own trail" motto for Elite. As technically Griefers are not in the wrong despite the bulling behaviour, but this motto was pretty much debunked anyway with the game having extremally limited criminal choices in the first place. Because lets face it, the ONLY reason for a PvE mode to be added is to counter aggressive player actions i.e. Griefers.
I mean really is just another mode like the hundreds of Private groups and such that exist. except it is overseen by a few key individuals that punish aggressive player actions such as ramming, aggressive fire, ganking and the rest. I must say, if such a mode was added I would definitely use it instead of hiding in Solo the whole time so I don't get ganked in the first minute of joining open ( am not joking about that either, as soon as I took off from Jameson Memorial two players sandwiched me in the airlock
) Quite honestly I don't see the reason for the massive backlash, if a large majority of people want it and it is easy to do, then do it... it isn't exactly game breaking. as what is the difference between this mode and PvE groups like mobius? aside from one being easily accessible to everyone and not having it's own fan club sign in process?
Although on the counter to this suggestion, it does sort of go against the "blaze your own trail" motto for Elite. As technically Griefers are not in the wrong despite the bulling behaviour, but this motto was pretty much debunked anyway with the game having extremally limited criminal choices in the first place. Because lets face it, the ONLY reason for a PvE mode to be added is to counter aggressive player actions i.e. Griefers.
Didn't we had this, like, 30 times already, atleast?
Answer is and was no. And hopefully remains no. There is no need for an open PvE mode. Wanna do PvE? Solo. Wanna do PvP? Open. I must say I see an issue with PGs and custom rules but that doesn't justify yet another mode, especially not with magic rules like player damage disabled. Like, how do you explain that ingame? No.
Lastly, it shouldn't be PwP aka co-op only. That's boring and unchallenging.
The rebuy problems don't exist anymore. There is basically no oebalty to being blown up these days.
Answer is and was no. And hopefully remains no. There is no need for an open PvE mode. Wanna do PvE? Solo. Wanna do PvP? Open. I must say I see an issue with PGs and custom rules but that doesn't justify yet another mode, especially not with magic rules like player damage disabled. Like, how do you explain that ingame? No.
Lastly, it shouldn't be PwP aka co-op only. That's boring and unchallenging.
The rebuy problems don't exist anymore. There is basically no oebalty to being blown up these days.
Just because YOU don't want it, it in no way changes other people's desire for such.
An Open PvE mode would affect you in exactly no way at all. It would ONLY affect people currently playing in PGs.
The only possible reason for refusing to consider it (tech problems notwithstanding) is that you're afraid (yes AFRAID) that people will see it as an option and your supply of victims will dry up.
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Ah... How cute... 99% wants it and 1% doesn't?
It's funny to see that the vocal minority still thinks they are the bulk of the player base...
It's funny to see that the vocal minority still thinks they are the bulk of the player base...
Until Frontier has actually implemented a Crime and Punishment system that truly discriminates between deliberate bullies and accidental behavior, an Open PvE mode will always be cherished by me.
Until Frontier has actually implemented a Crime and Punishment system that truly punishes deliberate bullies and not accidental behavior, an Open PvE mode will always be cherished by me.
I don't care how many times this topic is flayed to death. I will support an Open PvE mode every single time.
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Until Frontier has actually implemented a Crime and Punishment system that truly punishes deliberate bullies and not accidental behavior, an Open PvE mode will always be cherished by me.
I don't care how many times this topic is flayed to death. I will support an Open PvE mode every single time.
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No!
I'll do my PvE in Open and fully accept whatever may come from that, like I have been doing for the last 4 years, thank you very much!
Exactly this... Kari and I have not agreed on much recently, but this one... sure. One can PvE in open should one wish to do so. Not everyone does of course, which is why we need PvE modes.
Anyway that's it for this comment... ta-ta til next time.
Why would it do that? The majority of people who'd move to an OpenPvE would be from PGs like Mobius where they've needed to be split.
People in the current Open would be likely to stay there. The exception being people who would be in a PG if they realised that large PGs exist.
Open-PvE.. a PVE server and a PVP server, I do not know why this configuration was never retained since the game's design.
this suggestion is not new, I have seen it many times, and I did it myself, very similar, a few years ago.
However, it is the best choice for allow people who do not want PVP, to play despite everything with other players, obviously private groups would become useless, that would only bring together more players, however there are now squadrons for all.
this suggestion is not new, I have seen it many times, and I did it myself, very similar, a few years ago.
However, it is the best choice for allow people who do not want PVP, to play despite everything with other players, obviously private groups would become useless, that would only bring together more players, however there are now squadrons for all.
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And just because YOU want open PvE mode, doesn't mean everyone else does. Requesting such a mode and thus, requesting dev time to be invested in arbitrary content development is foolish.
Likewise just because I DON'T want it doesn't mean everyone else does want it.
Stop wasting my time with such stupid arguments that have already been mentioned so god damn often, step up to the next level or be ignored as yet another player who is just not capable of playing in open without getting offended by paying 5% of its ship's value.
Next on, it would affect everyone. Again, where is the ingame justification? What is the reasoning for a PvE mode in open anyways? Where is the need in the first place? Open PvE is a mere wish to comfort players who refuse to "git gud" or are simply not ready to lose and only want to win. It contributes to a strict no loss penalty. What#s next, Open exploring and trading where we disable pirates or guns at a whole? This is a game that features combat and no, you are not guaranteed to only be on the winning side. Pay your rebuy, it certainly isn't that much.
Powderpanic
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How about all players start in Solo mode like they currently do, regardless of which tab they click. ( Until the first high wake jump )
When they have proven they have the required skills and ability, they are granted access to Open mode.
They are of course allowed to continue to use Solo or move up to a private group, should they decide that better suits their play style and ability.
Requirements for Open mode.
Proven understanding of ship builds
Proven understanding of flighty systems
Proven instances of awareness to threats and all available counters.
Proven understanding that Combat logging is cheating
With some simple education. People would be far happier and entirely safe in Open.
Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
When they have proven they have the required skills and ability, they are granted access to Open mode.
They are of course allowed to continue to use Solo or move up to a private group, should they decide that better suits their play style and ability.
Requirements for Open mode.
Proven understanding of ship builds
Proven understanding of flighty systems
Proven instances of awareness to threats and all available counters.
Proven understanding that Combat logging is cheating
With some simple education. People would be far happier and entirely safe in Open.
Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
Some good ideas there Brrokk!
I agree, the option for a pve only mode without the need for PGs would be great.
For the naysayers that argue that 99% dont want a pve only mode, what are you worried about then? By your own logic, only 1% of people would switch to the new mode.
And if it's the other way round.....well then it's clearly highly in demand!
The fact that the game's founder and CEO says that "the game would end up more broken" worries me about it somewhat.
Again, only broken in the context of 1% of the population right? That doesn't sound awful to me.