Let me buy LEP & Cobra MkIV

varonica

varonica
Stigbob said:
In all these threads most MK-IV owners (like me) have no issues at all with it being rolled out to everyone.
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Except for that one (and there's always one) who thinks the wording of a contract is actually important and sues FDEV for breaking a written contract, because accept it or not, the terms of a written contract are enforceable by law. FDEV won't be giving them out any time. Personally I think exclusive releases are a bad idea, but I also think breaking a contract without good reason is also a bad idea, so there you go, what you and the rest think is irrelevant.
 
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Garrus

Garrus
varonica said:
Except for that one (and there's always one) who thinks the wording of a contract is actually important and sues FDEV for breaking a written contract, because accept it or not, the terms of a written contract are enforceable by law. FDEV won't be giving them out any time. Personally I think exclusive releases are a bad idea, but I also think breaking a contract without good reason is also a bad idea, so there you go, what you and the rest think is irrelevant.
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While I don't doubt that someone, somewhere in the world, would sue FD over something as insignificant as releasing what was an "exclusive" ship to all players, I do suspect that there's something in FD's EULA or another document/agreement we all abide by which would squash that case pretty quickly. I have to admit I'm not capable of verifying my theory, but I've seen several developers release "exclusive" or "pre-order only" items later to all players (usually, several years down the road and at a cost to the player) and not heard of any "retaliatory" lawsuits following that.

I bought ED just after Horizons was released, so I don't have access to the Cobra MkIV in game. However, I want one - primarily because I cannot have one. They're always in my face, flying around, just out of my reach, taunting me (in game, not IRL. Don't worry).
 
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voidwalker

voidwalker
Garrus said:
While I don't doubt that someone, somewhere in the world, would sue FD over something as insignificant as releasing what was an "exclusive" ship to all players, I do suspect that there's something in FD's EULA or another document/agreement we all abide by which would squash that case pretty quickly. I have to admit I'm not capable of verifying my theory, but I've seen several developers release "exclusive" or "pre-order only" items later to all players (usually, several years down the road and at a cost to the player) and not heard of any "retaliatory" lawsuits following that.

I bought ED just after Horizons was released, so I don't have access to the Cobra MkIV in game. However, I want one - primarily because I cannot have one. They're always in my face, flying around, just out of my reach, taunting me (in game, not IRL. Don't worry).
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While I agree that it would be trivial and petty litigation, no, EULA's are actually not legally binding, in that context. At least, not here in Australia. Just see ACCC vs. Valve for reference, where Steam's TOS themselves were taken to task as being illegal, specifically the part about 'no refunds'. It is against the law in Australia to have a blanket 'no refunds' policy, so attempting to put it in TOS or a EULA of a video game is entirely against the law here.

A EULA is specifically an agreement for a license to use software. It is not a protection for the company if they are breaking the law, such as engaging in anti-competitive behaviour, false advertising, etc etc. In other words, a EULA can only legally cover how a customer can or cannot use and share the software they are buying a license for, and even then, there are limitations.
 
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Gavin786

Gavin786
It would be nice to have a package which gives some of founder perks like cheaper rebuy. Id definitely put my hand in pocket for that(within reason). How much is it they(founders) get 2% or something?
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Lestat said:
We can use most for anything. Like most players don't post on the Forums So that kinda like blows your most owners theory. Because we are not hearing from All the owners that have it. Here another point. How do we know people who said they are owners are owners. Even you could be lying and said you are an owner.
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In the same way we don't know if the people opposing it have ever played ED or even own the game at all. FDEV could always poll actual owners via e-mail the way they did for ship transfers. In general terms across all these threads MK-IV owners think "meh let everyone bask in the mediocrity".

varonica said:
Except for that one (and there's always one) who thinks the wording of a contract is actually important and sues FDEV for breaking a written contract, because accept it or not, the terms of a written contract are enforceable by law. FDEV won't be giving them out any time. Personally I think exclusive releases are a bad idea, but I also think breaking a contract without good reason is also a bad idea, so there you go, what you and the rest think is irrelevant.
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Claiming they'd do it in the forum and actually trying to do it and being taken seriously by anyone who operates in the real world are very different things, people shriek about legal action all the time here in the forum and it never happens. Its just a dramatic dummy throw and means nothing. Its all just a matter of perception present it as a gift to all players and a balancing pass against future potential content and it would be an opportunity for good press. Paint the objectors as holding the game back for petty selfish reasons.

In gaming terms exclusive usually isn't for long anyway. I have all kinds of 'exclusives' thrown in with base games I got cheap in special offers, check your own library to see how it works.
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
What happens if FD offers a Cobra Mk V with exact the same specs of a Mk IV just another color? Technically it's a different ship. Paintjobs / Kits doesn't transfer.

Forum Meltdown?
 

Crank Larson

Crank Larson
Really, the Cobra Mk IV is not worth worrying about. It offers nothing that others ships don't.

And if a Mk V was released, I would hope it would be at least slightly different to the other versions or it would be an entirely pointless endeavour.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Bigmaec said:
What happens if FD offers a Cobra Mk V with exact the same specs of a Mk IV just another color? Technically it's a different ship. Paintjobs / Kits doesn't transfer.

Forum Meltdown?
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A forum meltdown is generally the default setting for everything.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Crank Larson said:
Really, the Cobra Mk IV is not worth worrying about. It offers nothing that others ships don't.

And if a Mk V was released, I would hope it would be at least slightly different to the other versions or it would be an entirely pointless endeavour.
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It allowed me to submerge under planet surfaces... :)
 

SAB380

SAB380
Giving a Cobra mk.4 to everyone will mean Frontier have broken their promise and people will lose faith in the game and leave which will subsequently cause the downfall of western civilisation.
 

Evoflash

Evoflash
SAB380 said:
Giving a Cobra mk.4 to everyone will mean Frontier have broken their promise and people will lose faith in the game and leave which will subsequently cause the downfall of western civilisation.
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This is a fair point. I'll withdraw the MkIV request, but the LEP request remains intact.

Perhaps the MkV would be forthcoming?
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Why not give those that don't qualify (well everyone really) a special 25th anniversary MkIVa? - You know. a MkIV but with an extra cargo slot or a built-in DC. Just for the salt. ;)

P.S. I have MkIV on 2 accounts and one of this is a LEP - I'd be happy to see both available to others.
 
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voidwalker

voidwalker
Para Handy said:
Why not give those that don't qualify (well everyone really) a special 25th anniversary MkIVa? - You know. a MkIV but with an extra cargo slot or a built-in DC. Just for the salt. ;)

P.S. I have MkIV on 2 accounts and one of this is a LEP - I'd be happy to see both available to others.
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I don't honestly care about the C.Mk IV either. But the LEP is a different story, for two reasons. 1 - it was an exclusive reward for certain backers who paid a lot of money up front and were actively involved in the game's development via testing and participation in discussion. It wasn't something that was paid for, but rather, something granted as reward for a very specific endeavour. 2 - the expansions, along with microtransactions, are part of Frontier's revenue model. They're not going to offer LEP's because they want people to pay for the expansions. It was either that, or subscriptions.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-11-david-braben-explains-elite-dangerous-100-premium-beta
 
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Para Handy

Para Handy
voidwalker said:
.......... But the LEP is a different story, for two reasons. 1 - it was an exclusive reward for certain backers who paid a lot of money up front and were actively involved in the game's development via testing and participation in discussion. It wasn't something that was paid for, but rather, something granted as reward for a very specific endeavour.
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LEP has also been on sale.


"The LEP was included as a backer reward for purchasers of the £80 "Digital Download Pack" tier of the Elite Dangerous Kickstarter in 2012. During the pre-launch beta period in 2014, it was also included in the Premium Beta bundle for £100.00 ($150.00 USD). It was made available for a third and final time from August 6, 2015 to September 14, 2015, at a cost of £130.00 ($195.00 USD); existing owners of Elite Dangerous were given a £10.00 ($15.00 USD) loyalty discount. "


(From the wiki)
 
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