Yoga pants and griefing.

The Replicated Man

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I watch a lot of elite steams, closets I get to seeing real people: P don’t like to go near them in RL. With DW2 underway It’s been interesting to watch the gankers (not all gankers grief).

Ganking has a place too, in fact, I been happily playing a new account in open only, to see if there really is an issue. There was little point in going into open with my main account and seeing what happens… Being elite in combat, even in a shield-less eagle seems to put half of the gankers off (not that the ranks shows your fighting skill, but does show you have been around a while)

First thing I noticed was, if I’m not at a CG/ Starting area or Engineer, then I seem to encounter no hostiles. Even went looking for them (not to snipe, but to see if I got targeted – I don’t have a good ship anyways) but was hard to instance half the time, and if they where sniping another streamer, they would be gone as soon as the streamer left open.

If your gonna play in open, some people will hunt you down, just for the luls or for a deeper reason.

If you’re in open, you need to learn you can’t be a’ carebear’, all safe in space. You must become elite! Well, at laest know how to put on the correct modules and high wake… and luckily, there are people out there willing to show you the error of your ways… but what I have notice is an underlying reason and it’s not about getting GUD

Yoga pants… yes, if you’re a group making yoga pant merch, playing with your passive social group and happen to venture into open, you may be destroyed… the gankers must show that they are better than you, and that you are space scum (It really eats at their soul, in the same way some streamers go nuts at gankers, the gankers seem to be hurting on the inside). Seem a bit hyperbolic, but this seems to be a psychological drive.

Most of the yoga pants ‘hide’ (not really hiding, they just don’t have time for the riffraff) in groups, so the gankers need to feel they are still able to attack them (but they can’t directly). This is done by clubbing seals and ganking any pilot that looks like a 5 second kill (not all gankers/PvPers are like this, infact, I had some good fun with ‘The Code’ 3vMe, they would have let me go if I didn’t try to run :p, that was a different acount)

There are streams out there that are ‘salt’ mining, well they think they are, but most of the salt is in their mind. I have watch hours of it, and no salt. Sure they manage to kill some easy targets, but these targets say nothing back, probably just getting on with their game. But the ganker feels they have got some salt… it quite interesting.

They are role playing their own salt mining, creating personalities for their random victims and generating reactions that never happened… then they all get excited and feel they have achieved something… well, each to their own, we all like to RP, even if the salt miners pretend they don’t (well they ironically RP in a sarcastic way, to belittle people that RP… yet they have built their own world in their head)

Some of the Gankers are happy with their RP, It fulfills their needs , their need to destroy possible yoga pant wielding private groupers, by swathing random open player targets… but some get frustrated, and start to act beyond reasonable game play.

What would this ‘beyond reasonable’ game play be?

Such things like joining a multi crew, to attack the host. Just to teach the host a lesson for being in open and offering up their ship to random player. Damaging the opportunity for others… and the reason they do this? Not to really teach them a lesson as such, but to show who is in control, who calls the shots in game play, as they can’t get into the yoga pants, they need to find the next best target… anyone willing to participate in the community in a constructive way (such as big events, sharing ships via crew).

Such griefing (yes, these are not gankers any more) is aimed at a mindset and not a player type. The griefer needs to ‘harm’ the yoga pants, who they find distasteful.. who they have a burning hatred for, but cannot harm (as they are in private). The Griefers are lashing out, trying to make change in a destructive way because they can’t make positive action, like a vandal.

Such people hide behind… ‘it’s just a game and anything goes in open’… yes it’s just a game, but they are looking for any hole that lets them cause problems….

Yes, it is just a game, but to such grifers its also a tool, to try and upset the people they dislike on a personal level, hate because of who they are and how they act… and the frustration they have, watching these yoga pants having a good time , safe from gankers and grifers, well it just drives them nuts.

It’s just a game guys, let them have their yoga pants :p

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'care-bear', what they like to call the people that really wind them up... if you have grifers call you one, you know you have really hurt them, on a very deep level :)




I am both confused and terrified.

Are those yoga pants wearing CMDRs following me?!
 

The Replicated Man

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Yoga pants aside, this part is spot on! Sometimes I even feel sorry for them, but it doesn't generally last long.

A good example would be the combat changes Beta. We were testing things and so I interdicted someone in Open, in a comparable ship to my Vulture. Once in normal space i quickly sent them a message to say I was rubbish at combat, but did they fancy a fight. We'd been fighting for about a minute when someone in a Cutter, who'd followed our wake turned up, killed my opponent in 2 seconds and then disabled my Thrusters. They then laughed at me in chat and waked out, that was mildly frustrating as we were having a good fight. Reboot/repair, jump into SC, interdicted by said Cutter. Took out my Thrusters and said some things to me in chat I can't repeat here. I replied

Well that was kind of pointless.

Yeah, let the salt flow, you cry them tears.

I'm not crying, you do realise this is a Beta and means nothing?

Salty, salty, salty.


Doesn't matter where you engage with people like this, there's no reasoning with them because they always believe they're right, and they always believe they're being persecuted and so their actions are justifiable to them. Perhaps it shouldn't matter, it makes them happy so maybe it's alright. It would be OK if it stopped there, but as you rightly point out it generally doesn't. For some if they don't get the rise they crave, then they just lash out harder at the next person until they find someone who it does affect and then either forgetting or not caring that their actions have real world consequences.

You are right about this. It doesn't matter what you say to them haha! You could wish them a good afternoon and they would still call you salty
 
We have 'gym' nearby. Its not uncommon to see the yoga pant brigade exit there and enter the kfc next door. Honestly a T9 in yoga pants is not my thing, but hey each to their own.
 
I'm here becuase I was told there would be girls in yoga pants.

I don't think anyone specifically said that there would be girls in yoga pants though both girls and yoga pants have been mentioned , try post 9 and to some extent post 33 for your girls in yoga pants needs.
 
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I share office space with a yoga studio, and most of the time the hallway between us smells like hippies. Not the nice “Hey, pass that this way.” kind, but the “take a bath with actual soap and actual water, you’re creating air pollution” kind.

I’ve also discovered something - if your yoga pants are saggy, you might have a meth problem.

Yep, we get some interesting ones.

Then there’s Thursday... college girl yoga day. That’s when yoga pants become a whole new form of griefing.
 
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I share office space with a yoga studio, and most of the time the hallway between us smells like hippies. Not the nice “Hey, pass that this way.” kind, but the “take a bath with actual soap and actual water, you’re creating air pollution” kind.

I’ve also discovered something - if your yoga pants are saggy, you might have a meth problem.

Yep, we get some interesting ones.

Then there’s Thursday... college girl yoga day. That’s when yoga pants become a whole new form of griefing.

Then let us not concern ourselves with Friday through Wednesday and instead rivet our attention to that most wonderful of all the days of the week...Thursday!
 
Instead of veiled crying about pvp in open, how about making the case for some real game play around pvp? As it stands now, all that is left is "ganking" and gweefing.
 
Do you reckon that they were engineered yoga pants? They looked engineered to me.



I know someone who owns a yoga pants company.

There is a lot of thought and engineering going on indeed!

A good pair of yoga pants will go through many cycles of yogaing and subsequent washing without losing (or loosing) feel, color or form.

The problem with yoga pants are the many cheap pairs of tight pants, masquerading as actual yoga pants.
That and the many non-yoga bodies they adorn, are quite a travesty...

They are not fit for either!
 
Instead of veiled crying about pvp in open, how about making the case for some real game play around pvp? As it stands now, all that is left is "ganking" and gweefing.

Why don't you do something about it. Take a leaf from the DW2 organisers and create your own PvP event. Pick a system, advertise the heck out of it and invite all the PvP faithful to join, pick a side and have a damn great time shooting each other. You could come up with leader boards for the most kills, fastest kill, longest battle. Have different days for different events. One day could be a battle royale type, last man/woman/being standing gets a nice pretty decal, another day could be pick a side and have an epic space battle.

If a bunch of paper thin explorers can organise such an event as DW2 which attracted 10,000+ participants and is expected to last weeks (or months) then the PvP community must be able to do the same thing. Heck you could even do it in a PG so you wouldn't be interrupted by some casual PvE tard looking for some salt.
 
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