Dinosaurs Indoraptor Camouflage

[Gondrasia]

Your Feature Request / Idea
Currently, the Indominus rex is the only dinosaur in JWE to have the ability to camouflage thanks to the Cuttlefish genes made available from the Secrets of Dr. Wu. However, I believe there is another dinosaur that fully deserves the ability to camouflage as well. It’s the dinosaur that’s the direct descendant of the mighty Indominus rex; the fearsome Indoraptor.

Logically it makes sense and fits in canonically in the Jurassic World movie franchise to have an Indoraptor that can camouflage. The I. rex's DNA, which is compatible with Cuttlefish genes, formed the architecture of the Indoraptor. Surely within that architecture, there must be a gap to insert Cuttlefish genes to the Indoraptor's genetic makeup like its ancestor?

Considering how it was designed to be a bio-weapon and not a park attraction, an Indoraptor with the ability to camouflage is the realisation of what Vic Hoskins ultimately planned for in his speech regarding the Indominus rex’s creation:

“Imagine. That one, a fraction of the size; deadly, intelligent, able to hide from the most advanced military technology. A living weapon unlike anything we've ever seen. You see? Millions of years of evolution, what did we learn? Nature is the gift that just keeps on giving.”

 

[MarcWP]

If they want to stick to the canon, the Carnotaurus should be able to camoflauge as well. Like in the Lost World...

 

[Gondrasia]

If they want to stick to the canon, the Carnotaurus should be able to camoflauge as well. Like in the Lost World...

Whilst it was a canonical feature for the Carnotaurus in the novel Jurassic universe and a highlight of The Lost World: Jurassic Park book, there is no evidence in the movie Jurassic universe that Carnotaurus can camouflage. Quite the opposite in fact, as it maintained a consistent colour scheme throughout its screen-time in Fallen Kingdom. Thus unfortunately as a result, a camouflaging Carnotaurus (in the movie universe) has no leg sto stand on.

 

[JoaquinZaba]

Quite the opposite in fact, as it maintained a consistent colour scheme throughout its screen-time in Fallen Kingdom.

Like Indoraptor?

Whilst it was a canonical feature for the Carnotaurus in the novel Jurassic universe and a highlight of The Lost World: Jurassic Park book(...)

Just wanna add: in the first novel there's a male Velocirraptor that can change the colour of his skin as well.

 

[Ahoyt01]

I agree with this. They should have the gene apply to the Indoraptor. While we never saw it camouflage in the film, logically it makes sense that this gene modification would apply to the Indoraptor as well as the Indominus. Gondrasia laid out a good argument in defense of this. It's a bio-weapon, the ability to camouflage should be a given.

On a side rant, the films have really squandered great opportunities for suspense by not fully utilizing this trait. It's a shame really.

 

[MarcWP]

Whilst it was a canonical feature for the Carnotaurus in the novel Jurassic universe and a highlight of The Lost World: Jurassic Park book, there is no evidence in the movie Jurassic universe that Carnotaurus can camouflage. Quite the opposite in fact, as it maintained a consistent colour scheme throughout its screen-time in Fallen Kingdom. Thus unfortunately as a result, a camouflaging Carnotaurus (in the movie universe) has no leg sto stand on.

We saw a Carno run from a natural disaster... Why the hell would it camoflauge in that situation? And like Joaquin said, there's no evidence at ALL about the indoraptor being able to camoflauge, so that's even more far fetched than the Carno... At least we have a Camo Carno in the franchise.

 

[Ahoyt01]

[T]here's no evidence at ALL about the indoraptor being able to camoflauge, so that's even more far fetched than the Carno...

No evidence? The Indoraptor is essentially the Indominus Rex shrunken down to a quarter of the size. Hoskins foreshadows this in JW and Eli all but states it in FK. I'm confident that it can hide from thermal technology as well. Within the film continuity, of which Evolution is based, it makes sense to apply this gene trait to the Indoraptor.

 

[MarcWP]

No evidence? The Indoraptor is essentially the Indominus Rex shrunken down to a quarter of the size. Hoskins foreshadows this in JW and Eli all but states it in FK. I'm confident that it can hide from thermal technology as well. Within the film continuity, of which Evolution is based, it makes sense to apply this gene trait to the Indoraptor.

We never saw anything in the movie that stated it could camoflauge... And it's obviously not a shrunken I-Rex, since the color and traits of the animals are completely different. It might have some genes from the Indominous, but it seems like it's more Blue than anything else...

 

[Ahoyt01]

And it's obviously not a shrunken I-Rex, since the color and traits of the animals are completely different. It might have some genes from the Indominous, but it seems like it's more Blue than anything else...

You're joking, right? The fact that the Indoraptor was essentially the Indominus 2.0 was a major plot point in FK. Right from the opening scene this is established, when the mercenaries return to Nublar to retrieve a sample (rib bone) from the Indominus Rex at the bottom of the lagoon. I understand that you'd also like to see the camo trait applied to the Carnotaurus, but trying to prove your point by arguing that the Carnotaurus is somehow a better fit for this than the Indoraptor is inane.

 

[tinywolf]

You're joking, right? The fact that the Indoraptor was essentially the Indominus 2.0 was a major plot point in FK. Right from the opening scene this is established, when the mercenaries return to Nublar to retrieve a sample (rib bone) from the Indominus Rex at the bottom of the lagoon. I understand that you'd also like to see the camo trait applied to the Carnotaurus, but trying to prove your point by arguing that the Carnotaurus is somehow a better fit for this than the Indoraptor is inane.

In my opinion the Carnotaurus is a better fit to the camo gene than Indoraptor due to the fact that a pair of camouflaging Carnos appeared in TLW Novel.

 

[Gondrasia]

We saw a Carno run from a natural disaster... Why the hell would it camoflauge in that situation?

Spoiler

There was another (battle-scarred) Carnotaurus seen towards the end of Fallen Kingdom, stalking in the background and getting ready to ambush Eli Mills; the perfect opportunity to camouflage itself. However, in the brief screen-time this particular animal had, it was not shown to have any ability to camouflage whatsoever.

And like Joaquin said, there's no evidence at ALL about the indoraptor being able to camoflauge, so that's even more far fetched than the Carno... At least we have a Camo Carno in the franchise.

Yes, I will admit that the Indoraptor doesn’t camouflage in Fallen Kingdom; but there is a reasonable explanation for this. The Indoraptor from Fallen Kingdom was a prototype, it wasn’t the final version, it wasn’t a finished product. It was the best that Henry Wu could create considering the massive limitations that he had to work with. Had the auction been a success, he would have been able to create not only more trainable Indoraptors, but also ones that can camouflage, fully realising his ambitious project.

However, in Jurassic World Evolution, Dr. Wu doesn’t have any of the problems he had to worry about in Fallen Kingdom. Thanks to the Hammond Foundation; he's still InGen's Lead Genetic Biologist and has all of his credentials, not on the run from the legal authorities. He even has his own Research Station on Isla Tacaño, where he has created three new species of hybrids. Therefore, it makes sense that with this financial security and support from the Hammond Foundation, Dr. Wu would further develop and refine his special project. Knowing him, he would not stop until he has perfected the Indoraptor, created the ultimate bio-weapon that's deadly, intelligent, able to hide from the most advanced military technology, and would run straight into the enemy’s teeth and eat them belt buckle and all!

Also, I find it incredibly ironic and, dare I say it, hypocritical of you to say a camouflaging Indoraptor is farfetched (even though the subject was discussed at great length in the film). Yet, it’s perfectly fine to not only alter its appearance and increase its social capacity, but to display the hybrid for visitors, even though it’s not a park attraction but instead an incredibly dangerous bio-weapon.

In regards to Camo Carnotaurus, it’s only canon in the novel universe, not in the movie universe. The novel Jurassic universe is very different compared to the movie Jurassic universe featuring different characters, different corporations, different locations, and, most importantly, different dinosaurs. The closest a Carnotaurus that can camouflage ever got to appear in the movie universe, was in an arcade rail shooter based on The Lost World, and that’s it. Unfortunately, there's more evidence against Carnotaurus having the ability to camouflage in the movie universe, than there is for having it.

During the scene in which Simon Masrani and Dr. Wu discuss the Indominus rex's genetic makeup, Masrani raises the question “what purpose could we have for a dinosaur that can camouflage?” and Dr. Wu replies that “cuttlefish genes were added to help her withstand an accelerated growth rate and have chromatophores that allow the skin to change colour”. The reason this is particularly important is due to both the DPG website and to a lesser extent, JW Employee Handbook. On the website, Carnotaurus was hatched in 2009, and considering how all of InGen's dinosaurs had accelerated growth rates, most likely fully matured by 2012, and in the Employee Handbook (which was created shortly before the Indominus Incident) was listed as an official attraction for the park. By the time Simon Masrani and Dr. Wu were having this conversation, Carnotaurus was established on Isla Nublar for 6 years and widely known to both senior members of Masrani Global/Jurassic World and the park's visitors.

If this dinosaur was known to have the ability to camouflage, why does Simon Masrani conveniently forget about the Carnotaurus and why doesn’t Dr. Wu say “we used Cuttlefish genes on one species of dinosaur not too long ago, and it worked well without any issues”. The answer is simple, Carnotaurus doesn’t have those genes and it can’t camouflage.

 

[MarcWP]

Spoiler

There was another (battle-scarred) Carnotaurus seen towards the end of Fallen Kingdom, stalking in the background and getting ready to ambush Eli Mills; the perfect opportunity to camouflage itself. However, in the brief screen-time this particular animal had, it was not shown to have any ability to camouflage whatsoever.

Yes, I will admit that the Indoraptor doesn’t camouflage in Fallen Kingdom; but there is a reasonable explanation for this. The Indoraptor from Fallen Kingdom was a prototype, it wasn’t the final version, it wasn’t a finished product. It was the best that Henry Wu could create considering the massive limitations that he had to work with. Had the auction been a success, he would have been able to create not only more trainable Indoraptors, but also ones that can camouflage, fully realising his ambitious project.

However, in Jurassic World Evolution, Dr. Wu doesn’t have any of the problems he had to worry about in Fallen Kingdom. Thanks to the Hammond Foundation; he's still InGen's Lead Genetic Biologist and has all of his credentials, not on the run from the legal authorities. He even has his own Research Station on Isla Tacaño, where he has created three new species of hybrids. Therefore, it makes sense that with this financial security and support from the Hammond Foundation, Dr. Wu would further develop and refine his special project. Knowing him, he would not stop until he has perfected the Indoraptor, created the ultimate bio-weapon that's deadly, intelligent, able to hide from the most advanced military technology, and would run straight into the enemy’s teeth and eat them belt buckle and all!

Also, I find it incredibly ironic and, dare I say it, hypocritical of you to say a camouflaging Indoraptor is farfetched (even though the subject was discussed at great length in the film). Yet, it’s perfectly fine to not only alter its appearance and increase its social capacity, but to display the hybrid for visitors, even though it’s not a park attraction but instead an incredibly dangerous bio-weapon.

In regards to Camo Carnotaurus, it’s only canon in the novel universe, not in the movie universe. The novel Jurassic universe is very different compared to the movie Jurassic universe featuring different characters, different corporations, different locations, and, most importantly, different dinosaurs. The closest a Carnotaurus that can camouflage ever got to appear in the movie universe, was in an arcade rail shooter based on The Lost World, and that’s it. Unfortunately, there's more evidence against Carnotaurus having the ability to camouflage in the movie universe, than there is for having it.

During the scene in which Simon Masrani and Dr. Wu discuss the Indominus rex's genetic makeup, Masrani raises the question “what purpose could we have for a dinosaur that can camouflage?” and Dr. Wu replies that “cuttlefish genes were added to help her withstand an accelerated growth rate and have chromatophores that allow the skin to change colour”. The reason this is particularly important is due to both the DPG website and to a lesser extent, JW Employee Handbook. On the website, Carnotaurus was hatched in 2009, and considering how all of InGen's dinosaurs had accelerated growth rates, most likely fully matured by 2012, and in the Employee Handbook (which was created shortly before the Indominus Incident) was listed as an official attraction for the park. By the time Simon Masrani and Dr. Wu were having this conversation, Carnotaurus was established on Isla Nublar for 6 years and widely known to both senior members of Masrani Global/Jurassic World and the park's visitors.

If this dinosaur was known to have the ability to camouflage, why does Simon Masrani conveniently forget about the Carnotaurus and why doesn’t Dr. Wu say “we used Cuttlefish genes on one species of dinosaur not too long ago, and it worked well without any issues”. The answer is simple, Carnotaurus doesn’t have those genes and it can’t camouflage.

Well first off, in the movie they probably wouldn't want Carno to camoflauge as it's the trait of the I-Rex and would make the camo ability for the I-Rex less important. But facts are that canonwise, the Carno was the first dinosaur that had camoflauge. And if we only want to follow the film canon, as you say yourself, the indoraptor is a prototype, and that's what we got in the game. In the movie it can't camoflauge and you want to stick to the movies. Which is fine. But with a camo Indo you'll stray away from the movie canon to a feature that the Indo has not been able to do in regards to anything Jurassic related. And to be fair, I don't have any hybrids in my parks, and I've never used the social gene manipulations... And the only reason the Indoraptor is not a park attraction in the movie, is because there's no park left. LOL. If the I-Rex was a park attraction, the Indo would also be, if the park was still standing.

The novel universe is not that different at all to the movies. The same characters are featured, including a couple of extras, same corporations, same locations, and the same dinosaurs, including some extras. Everything in the movie is pretty much in the books. The movies only left a couple of things out... And because cuddlefish genes were added to the I-Rex, what makes you sure it was added to the Indo? It's not the same animal at all, so the genes are probably way different.

 

[MarcWP]

You're joking, right? The fact that the Indoraptor was essentially the Indominus 2.0 was a major plot point in FK. Right from the opening scene this is established, when the mercenaries return to Nublar to retrieve a sample (rib bone) from the Indominus Rex at the bottom of the lagoon. I understand that you'd also like to see the camo trait applied to the Carnotaurus, but trying to prove your point by arguing that the Carnotaurus is somehow a better fit for this than the Indoraptor is inane.

Yes the first 10 minutes of the movie, they extract the I-Rex fossil to get the DNA. The next 2 hours they try to get Blue's DNA, which is far more important than the I-Rex DNA. Hence why it's called a IndoRAPTOR. It's a raptor. Not a Rex. So more Blue than I-Rex. It's even clarified in the name of the animal?

 

[Gondrasia]

Well first off, in the movie they probably wouldn't want Carno to camoflauge as it's the trait of the I-Rex and would make the camo ability for the I-Rex less important. But facts are that canonwise, the Carno was the first dinosaur that had camouflage.

Even so, in Fallen Kingdom (if you had read the spoiler) there was the perfect opportunity to showcase its camouflage ability, but it didn't. With no evidence from either the movies, DPG website or Fallen Kingdom books; it's conclusive that Carnotaurus doesn't camouflage in the movie universe, and it's only canonical in the novel universe. Canonwise in the film universe, the first dinosaur that had camouflage was Indominus rex. Unless you provide any evidence that Carnotaurus does have this ability in the movie universe, and not just say its from Crichton's Lost World, then your argument holds no water at all.

And if we only want to follow the film canon, as you say yourself, the Indoraptor is a prototype, and that's what we got in the game. In the movie it can't camoflauge and you want to stick to the movies. Which is fine. But with a camo Indo you'll stray away from the movie canon to a feature that the Indo has not been able to do in regards to anything Jurassic related.

You know what else strays away from the movie canon? This whole game!

Jurassic World Evolution takes place in an alternate movie universe where after the 2015 Isla Nublar Incident, the Hammond Foundation acquires InGen, Jurassic World and the Gulf of Fernandez from Masrani Global. They successfully build 7 parks using species both old and new throughout the island chain. Claire Dearing and Owen Grady are still working for Jurassic World, and not creating and leading the DPG and building a log cabin. Even Dr. Malcolm is working for Jurassic World as an adviser, even though he was completely against the project! Dr. Wu's also in the game and not only is he still InGen's Lead Genetic Biologist, he even has his own Research Station on Isla Tacaño, where he has created three new species of hybrids. Which is in complete contradiction to what he did in the previous films; running away, hiding from the legal authorities and losing all of his credentials.

So you're perfectly fine with all of this, but you're completely against the idea that Dr. Wu would further develop and refine the Indoraptor by giving it the ability to camouflage, achieving what Vic Hoskins was talking about in his Indoraptor speech from Jurassic World? Even though his research facility not only is a larger and more sophisticated version of his secret labs in Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom combined, but it also has the space, the manpower and the funding that would allow him to do so.

And because cuttlefish genes were added to the I-Rex, what makes you sure it was added to the Indo? It's not the same animal at all, so the genes are probably way different.

I know it wasn't added to the Indoraptor in the movie, I acknowledged this! Essentially, Indoraptor is the same animal as the I. rex, it just uses a bit more Raptor DNA to make it both much smaller and more trainable. Considering how Indoraptor in the game uses an animal that was compatible with cuttlefish genes, it doesn't make sense at all that because it has a bit more Raptor DNA, players are now unable to add the cuttlefish genes to make it camouflage.

[T]he only reason the Indoraptor is not a park attraction in the movie, is because there's no park left. LOL. If the I-Rex was a park attraction, the Indo would also be, if the park was still standing.

No, Indoraptor wasn't an attraction it was a bio-weapon. Vic Hoskins explains that with the Indoraptor being a fraction of the Indominus rex's size, deadly, intelligent, able to hide from the most advanced military technology; it would be a living weapon unlike anything the world has ever seen.

 

[MarcWP]

Even so, in Fallen Kingdom (if you had read the spoiler) there was the perfect opportunity to showcase its camouflage ability, but it didn't. With no evidence from either the movies, DPG website or Fallen Kingdom books; it's conclusive that Carnotaurus doesn't camouflage in the movie universe, and it's only canonical in the novel universe. Canonwise in the film universe, the first dinosaur that had camouflage was Indominus rex. Unless you provide any evidence that Carnotaurus does have this ability in the movie universe, and not just say its from Crichton's Lost World, then your argument holds no water at all.



You know what else strays away from the movie canon? This whole game!

Jurassic World Evolution takes place in an alternate movie universe where after the 2015 Isla Nublar Incident, the Hammond Foundation acquires InGen, Jurassic World and the Gulf of Fernandez from Masrani Global. They successfully build 7 parks using species both old and new throughout the island chain. Claire Dearing and Owen Grady are still working for Jurassic World, and not creating and leading the DPG and building a log cabin. Even Dr. Malcolm is working for Jurassic World as an adviser, even though he was completely against the project! Dr. Wu's also in the game and not only is he still InGen's Lead Genetic Biologist, he even has his own Research Station on Isla Tacaño, where he has created three new species of hybrids. Which is in complete contradiction to what he did in the previous films; running away, hiding from the legal authorities and losing all of his credentials.

So you're perfectly fine with all of this, but you're completely against the idea that Dr. Wu would further develop and refine the Indoraptor by giving it the ability to camouflage, achieving what Vic Hoskins was talking about in his Indoraptor speech from Jurassic World? Even though his research facility not only is a larger and more sophisticated version of his secret labs in Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom combined, but it also has the space, the manpower and the funding that would allow him to do so.



I know it wasn't added to the Indoraptor in the movie, I acknowledged this! Essentially, Indoraptor is the same animal as the I. rex, it just uses a bit more Raptor DNA to make it both much smaller and more trainable. Considering how Indoraptor in the game uses an animal that was compatible with cuttlefish genes, it doesn't make sense at all that because it has a bit more Raptor DNA, players are now unable to add the cuttlefish genes to make it camouflage.


No, Indoraptor wasn't an attraction it was a bio-weapon. Vic Hoskins explains that with the Indoraptor being a fraction of the Indominus rex's size, deadly, intelligent, able to hide from the most advanced military technology; it would be a living weapon unlike anything the world has ever seen.

Well even though the Carno didn't camoflauge in FK, at least it can in the original storyline. The Indoraptor hasn't had the ability anywhere. So in my opinion that makes the Carno move to the front of the line, of possible camo genes.
And as you state yourself, the game differs from the movie canon, so why should the Indo have camo and the Carno shouldn't?
I'm not against the Indo having the ability to camoflauge, but then the Carno should be able to as well...

No the Indo wasn't meant to be an attraction, but Hoskins comes to Owen with the idea before the Park went to ruins. So it would be very natural that it would be made in the park and also kept there for training etc.

I can't see any reason why Indo should be able to camoflauge without anything in the canon stating it could, while the Carno could in the original Jurassic Park storyline.

 

[Gondrasia]

Well even though the Carno didn't camoflauge in FK, at least it can in the original storyline. The Indoraptor hasn't had the ability anywhere. So in my opinion that makes the Carno move to the front of the line, of possible camo genes.

And as you state yourself, the game differs from the movie canon, so why should the Indo have camo and the Carno shouldn't? I'm not against the Indo having the ability to camoflauge, but then the Carno should be able to as well...

As I've said in my previous post and gone into great detail over, your argument that "because Carnotaurus could camouflage in the novel universe, it deserves to be in the game" holds no water at all for this game based on the recent Jurassic World events in the movie universe. Indoraptor comes first in line for camouflage based on what was is both said and shown from the Jurassic World movies; Vic Hoskins speech and the use of I. rex's DNA (an animal which is compatible with the camouflage genes) as the architecture for the Indoraptor. I'm not against Carnotaurus having access to those genes as well, but it comes second (if it's even lucky).

I can't see any reason why Indo should be able to camoflauge without anything in the canon stating it could.

I mean it's not as though Vic Hoskins literally states about creating an Indoraptor that can camouflage at the end of Jurassic World. Oh wait, he does literally state about creating an Indoraptor that can camouflage at the end of Jurassic World! Here's the link down below, and his speech about this starts at 1:10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cow-i1ypu10

 

[Ahoyt01]

Yes the first 10 minutes of the movie, they extract the I-Rex fossil to get the DNA. The next 2 hours they try to get Blue's DNA, which is far more important than the I-Rex DNA. Hence why it's called a IndoRAPTOR. It's a raptor. Not a Rex. So more Blue than I-Rex. It's even clarified in the name of the animal?

First off, it wasn't a fossil they obtained, it was an actual bone from the Indominus. Secondly, the Indoraptor we saw in the film contained absolutely none of Blue's DNA. Although, it was a direct descendant of the Indominus as stated by Eli Mills in the film. Therefore, it stands to reason that it would inherit the trait to camouflage. It also stands to reason, that Eli and Wu would retain its ability to camouflage as it was created to be a bio-weapon. Cabot Finch also refers to it as "more weapon than attraction" in-game.

 

[Gondrasia]

Another question that I must ask, why would Dr. Wu suddenly decide to make Carnotaurus compatible with Cuttlefish genes?

With Indoraptor it makes sense, because it's predecessor, Indominus rex, was compatible with cuttlefish genes and a small, intelligent, camouflaging bio-weapon was exactly what Vic Hoskins orders. So therefore it makes sense for Dr. Wu to try and find a way to make the Indoraptor "Cuttlefish Compatible".

But Carnotaurus on the other hand, is a completely random decision. Out of all of the natural carnivores that can be recreated in Jurassic World Evolution, both small and large, why would Dr. Wu try and make Carnotaurus "cuttlefish compatible"? Did he suddenly wake up in the middle of the night thinking "I've got to make a camouflaging Carnotaurus!"

 

[LordTrilobite]

Another question that I must ask, why would Dr. Wu suddenly decide to make Carnotaurus compatible with Cuttlefish genes?

With Indoraptor it makes sense, because it's predecessor, Indominus rex, was compatible with cuttlefish genes and a small, intelligent, camouflaging bio-weapon was exactly what Vic Hoskins orders. So therefore it makes sense for Dr. Wu to try and find a way to make the Indoraptor "Cuttlefish Compatible".

But Carnotaurus on the other hand, is a completely random decision. Out of all of the natural carnivores that can be recreated in Jurassic World Evolution, both small and large, why would Dr. Wu try and make Carnotaurus "cuttlefish compatible"? Did he suddenly wake up in the middle of the night thinking "I've got to make a camouflaging Carnotaurus!"

The Carnotaurus in the book had camouflage. That's the main reason why people are suggesting it.

 

[Gondrasia]

The Carnotaurus in the book had camouflage. That's the main reason why people are suggesting it.

A good reason outside the movie universe, but why would Dr. Wu suddenly decide to make Carnotaurus camouflage compatible?

It wasn't exactly an unfamiliar dinosaur to InGen considering how they had cloned a couple on Isla Sorna long before they were acquired by Masrani Global, and had a few of them in Jurassic World for at least 6 years before it was shut down. So why on earth would Dr. Wu only now decide to make this particular dinosaur, out of all the 15 natural carnivores in the game, camouflage compatible?