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The engineers have always been . Cant say I blame you, OP. Just wait walls and time sinks. Never been fun.
Losing the will (to grind)
- Thread starter Kellan Fell
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The first RT mission when it was first issued was pretty clearly stated to be very very difficult to the point of not being solvable by an individual cmdr.
It has been steadily made easier and easier since then. As of 3.0 the only barriers are getting the mission and knowing which area of space to look at (oh and knowing that the civilisation Galmap filter exists).
The 2nd RT mission has an extra level of difficulty due to needing to figure out what the symbols are that don’t correspond to Guardian artefacts, and obtaining them.
The harder stuff isn’t as missions, it’s just there for people that look for that stuff.
The Pylon puzzle is pretty easy.
There’s a pretty good range there now IMHO. (Plus there’s always the ‘follow a guide’ option for people that want to take that kind of approach to it all.)
Keep going. However it lands there's probably good life lessons to get from making it through your experience.
Yes modern gaming is a little horrific, but that's not the really the point.
Yes modern gaming is a little horrific, but that's not the really the point.
Just a few thoughts:
Marco Qwent, right? Just thought you'd want to get his name right if you want him to ever trust you.
Can't you buy MTs now at some stations? Some missions reward you with 30+ of them. Beats the 5 at a time some of us endured.
Find a wingmate who can help you keep it interesting. Do some goal advancement, do some killing and whatever you like, then keep moving forward. I've gotten frustrated when I decided on the goal and decided I could knock it out quickly only to find there are a lot of little unlocks and long trips associated with each step. When you're done, you'll not even look back and recall it.
Marco Qwent, right? Just thought you'd want to get his name right if you want him to ever trust you.
Can't you buy MTs now at some stations? Some missions reward you with 30+ of them. Beats the 5 at a time some of us endured.
Find a wingmate who can help you keep it interesting. Do some goal advancement, do some killing and whatever you like, then keep moving forward. I've gotten frustrated when I decided on the goal and decided I could knock it out quickly only to find there are a lot of little unlocks and long trips associated with each step. When you're done, you'll not even look back and recall it.
My view on the ram tah 2 mission is that it could be set up as a series of missions instead of one big mission. But I am wondering if the mission system is a bit limited on what it can do.
But you're not describing a grind. You're describing a set of interlinked goals with complex relations.
Maybe call the thread "losing the will to solve complex puzzles - stop making me think!"
It's not a complex puzzle though, is it? It's a simple series of rinse and repeat steps, made harder by that fact that they don't work. Canisters are unrecoverable (how is that a puzzle), no storage for items (how is that a puzzle), ridiculous crime and punishment system (still not a puzzle)…
I think many people feel your pain and agree your sentiment. We love the concept of Elite, but as you say, unfortunately the grinding is hugely repetitive and time consumingly dull.
Best thing I found is to step away from the game a bit and find other games to play that are more interesting and have more of a gameplay/skill element, that way, when you do spend a bit of time in Elite, you can accept the fact that Elite is more a space simulator rather than a space "game".
I use Elite now more as a relaxing chillout experience, that way I am not so anxious about doing the grinding quickly or worried about losing progress. For gameplay fun and skill element I will play other games.
Best thing I found is to step away from the game a bit and find other games to play that are more interesting and have more of a gameplay/skill element, that way, when you do spend a bit of time in Elite, you can accept the fact that Elite is more a space simulator rather than a space "game".
I use Elite now more as a relaxing chillout experience, that way I am not so anxious about doing the grinding quickly or worried about losing progress. For gameplay fun and skill element I will play other games.
But you're not describing a grind. You're describing a set of interlinked goals with complex relations.
Maybe call the thread "losing the will to solve complex puzzles - stop making me think!"
This.
I think OP is trying to do too many disparate things at once. Those activities took me months. In fact, I still haven't done the second Ram Tah mission.
Yeah, it looks like the OP took on too much at once. The Guardian FSD Booster is the easiest Guardian tech to unlock (you don't even need to scan any obelisks). Just go to a "module" site, gather all the Guardian tech bits there, do the pillar thing to get a blueprint, and relog maybe a couple of times to get enough tech bits for the requirement. Then back to the Bubble, buy the Shock Mounts (and make sure you have the Focus Crystals), and you're done.
Probably best to get that out of the way first. Just about anything you do in ED involves hyperjumps, you can save a lot of time by reducing the number of jumps you need to do. I'm doing exactly that with a new account: straight from the starter system to Ngalinn to rank up for a Courier, then mats gathering, then FSD engineering, then off to Guardian space.
Probably best to get that out of the way first. Just about anything you do in ED involves hyperjumps, you can save a lot of time by reducing the number of jumps you need to do. I'm doing exactly that with a new account: straight from the starter system to Ngalinn to rank up for a Courier, then mats gathering, then FSD engineering, then off to Guardian space.
Achilles7
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You should worry...at least your qualifying participle remains in its present state!
I'm thinking of getting a do-it-yourself lobotomy kit...that should reinvigorate my will to play; my reasoning behind this? Well, there is of course an empirical precedent available as a case study & it appears to have worked for Stigbob, although I am slightly concerned about the verbal-diarrhoea side-effect.
I'm thinking of getting a do-it-yourself lobotomy kit...that should reinvigorate my will to play; my reasoning behind this? Well, there is of course an empirical precedent available as a case study & it appears to have worked for Stigbob, although I am slightly concerned about the verbal-diarrhoea side-effect.
Fines vs Bounties (this is for the OP as well)
A fine is money that you owe. You can pay it off directly. You can't hand yourself in because you're not wanted. You just face restrictions until the money is paid.
A bounty is a price on your head. It is money that someone else is offering as a reward for your apprehension or death. It is basically this:
You can't pay off a bounty directly because it's not money you owe. You can however hand yourself in, in which case you will be jailed (or the gameified version of being jailed, as sitting for days/weeks/years in a jail isn't really a practical thing in the context.)
The other option is to get someone to work around the standard systems and clear it for you, which is what the Interstellar Factors do.
If a bounty is a small amount, it is still bounty.
The in-game text on how to deal with a bounty needs sorting out as it mixes up the terms in the details, but if you stick to the principles outlined above you'll generally be fine.
Handing yourself in is for Bounties, not Fines. Fines and Bounties are not the same thing.
A fine is money that you owe. You can pay it off directly. You can't hand yourself in because you're not wanted. You just face restrictions until the money is paid.
A bounty is a price on your head. It is money that someone else is offering as a reward for your apprehension or death. It is basically this:
You can't pay off a bounty directly because it's not money you owe. You can however hand yourself in, in which case you will be jailed (or the gameified version of being jailed, as sitting for days/weeks/years in a jail isn't really a practical thing in the context.)
The other option is to get someone to work around the standard systems and clear it for you, which is what the Interstellar Factors do.
If a bounty is a small amount, it is still bounty.
The in-game text on how to deal with a bounty needs sorting out as it mixes up the terms in the details, but if you stick to the principles outlined above you'll generally be fine.
I absolutely agree with you and I know exactly where your coming from (been their, done that!), I've been playing for over 4 years and I am totally grinded out! I am King, Admiral, Elite Comat, Elite Trade and Explorer Ranger (63%) I have 2.5 Billion credits but nothing to spend it on. 4 x Federal Corvettes, 1 x Python and 1 x Krait Phantom (My Taxi) all ships are fully Grade 5 Engineered with various experimental additions, so you can imagine how much grind I had to do to get all this! so all I do now is ocassionally pop into a compromised nav beacon and kill a few ships pick up the materials they drop and increase my funds slightly, but for what purpose? the strange thing is, I still enjoy flying my Corvettes, I just wish I had some fun stuff to do or something I could spend my credits on. Do Frontier want to lose commanders? I think so. I am very close to uninstalling this game though, and trying to find a different space type game. Elite Dangerous graphics take a lot of beating though.
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It already is set up that way to a certain extent. Every log you get has its own reward, both monetary and info. You can do them however you wish. There's a monetary bonus if you do the whole set, but you don't have to do that to hand in the mission and get the reward for the logs that you have got.
Three Accounts!
Imperial, Federal, Alliance. there's 5 years of your gaming life right there. Before we get to Independents...…!
Imperial, Federal, Alliance. there's 5 years of your gaming life right there. Before we get to Independents...…!
To get the bonus you need to get the whole set and hand them in together. (It's a bonus specifically for doing that.)
You can't hand in one at a time in the sense that you can do partial delivery of cargo missions. When you hand in you complete the mission, and get the reward for however many logs you've collected.
The mission's not a one-off though. Once you've handed it in you can pick it up again and do what you want from there - look for the ones you hadn't got previously, repeat the one's you've already found, find the alternative locations for the one's you've already found, try to get the complete set, etc.
You only 'fail' the mission if you don't return and hand in the mission in time.
Slightly more philosophically there's also the question of what you see as the reward for the mission. Is it the money, or is it beating the challenge, or is it the information you get in the logs? Focusing solely on the first basically leads to missing out. The real reward is in the other aspects (IMHO).
(There was a global reward, but everyone got that as a result of the first ever full completion of the mission.)
In the vein of a rather well known film: How i stopped worrying and learned to love the grind
To be honest, i was hoping OP was going to have a revelation and understood that everything you might ever want will still be there in the future, and there is no need to grind for most things.
You want a Cutter? Make your home in imperial space and work for the imperials. Eventually you'll get the rank for a cutter.
You want specific engineering materials? Just run missions you like and take engineering rewards. Eventually you'll be overflowing with materials that you can trade for what you need.
You want to unlock an engineer? Most of them are pretty quick and easy. Worst perhaps being Selene Jean, but with everyone and their dog void opal mining i presume she has been opened up more in recent times.
To be honest, i was hoping OP was going to have a revelation and understood that everything you might ever want will still be there in the future, and there is no need to grind for most things.
You want a Cutter? Make your home in imperial space and work for the imperials. Eventually you'll get the rank for a cutter.
You want specific engineering materials? Just run missions you like and take engineering rewards. Eventually you'll be overflowing with materials that you can trade for what you need.
You want to unlock an engineer? Most of them are pretty quick and easy. Worst perhaps being Selene Jean, but with everyone and their dog void opal mining i presume she has been opened up more in recent times.
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