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Hmm surely there are 100 devs that work on ED - at times. That sounds more likely.

I'm sure there's some flex. (Specialists & teams helping out on other projects; individual moves between projects; support guys outside the dev numbers, like QA, being prioritised for launch titles etc). But they're pretty insistent that that's the ballpark figure consistently assigned to ED, and growing on balance [1],[2],[3],[4],[5]


I think these aspects have more explanatory power when trying to understand their output vs their staffing:


Likely Issues:

  • This game is clearly a giant ball of complexity, and is likely breaking every time they try and change it significantly. (Proc gen, multiplayer, huge scale, multi-vehicular, multi-platform games likely lean that way ;))

  • The seasonal model was fairly pants. Seemingly involving stunty dev runs with small teams at times, but requiring a shiny product at the end. It also encouraged laying down structural additions that didn't impress on arrival but were designed to be stepping stones to later additions.

  • The current, more classical, dev approach requires a prolonged run with far less to show in the meantime.

  • Sometimes R&D just doesn't go anywhere. Stuff happens. In dev, doubly so. (And possibly treble-y so in 'giant ball of code' dev ;))


Possible Aspects:

  • They may not have released all of the dev undertaken for the Beyond period. (I don't like speculating about 'hidden builds' as a rule, but we know the ice stuff was a fair way along back in June 2018. I think it's safe to speculate that some of this stuff had some meaty work done on it in the last year+ which will only become obvious at the point of release).


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TLDR: Further time / patience / deity offerings are required to see if they can actually wrestle meaningful change into the game under the new delivery model ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Yep. Thats the word that comes in mind when believing words like "exciting" and "winter is coming" and you receive multi-crew and an optional invasion. Now what do you think phrases like "new era" and "the most authentic, ambitious, and expansive evolving space game in the world", can do to you?

I am pretty happy with the state of the game and the updates we've seen so far. Sure, some things could've been done better but there a lot of things that I could do better as well. While I always strive for perfection the result isn't always perfect. So I don't expect anyone else to be perfect either.

If you don't think FDEV are competent enough to create a good space game you should ask yourself what you are doing here.
 
I'm sure there's some flex. (Specialists & teams helping out on other projects; individual moves between projects; support guys outside the dev numbers, like QA, being prioritised for launch titles etc). But they're pretty insistent that that's the ballpark figure consistently assigned to ED, and growing on balance [1],[2][3],[4][5]


I think these aspects have more explanatory power when trying to understand their output vs their staffing:


Likely Issues:

  • This game is clearly a giant ball of complexity, and is likely breaking every time they try and change it significantly. (Proc gen, multiplayer, huge scale, multi-vehicular, multi-platform games likely lean that way ;))

  • The seasonal model was fairly pants. Seemingly involving stunty dev runs with small teams at times, but requiring a shiny product at the end. It also encouraged laying down structural additions that didn't impress on arrival but were designed to be stepping stones to later additions.

  • The current, more classical, dev approach requires a prolonged run with far less to show in the mean.

  • Sometimes R&D just doesn't go anywhere. Stuff happens. In dev, doubly so. (And possibly treble-y so in 'giant ball of code' dev ;))


Possible Aspects:

  • They may not have released all of the dev undertaken for the Beyond period. (I don't like speculating about 'hidden builds' as a rule, but we know the ice stuff was a fair way along back in June 2018. I think it's safe to speculate that some of this stuff had some meaty work done on it in the last year+ which will only become obvious at the point of release).


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TLDR: Further time / patience / deity offerings are required to see if they can actually wrestle meaningful change into the game under the new delivery model ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Indeed. We'll just have to wait (for a long time ;)) and see.
 

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Yep. Thats the word that comes in mind when believing words like "exciting" and "winter is coming" and you receive multi-crew and an optional invasion. Now what do you think phrases like "new era" and "the most authentic, ambitious, and expansive evolving space game in the world", can do to you?

Fully agree. Too much emphasis on buzz phrases that sound good, allow dream crafting by the zealots.

Remember when they were 'focusing on core features? Seriously, it sounded like empty optomistic promises from a politician:

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As to 'Winter is coming.... I called it years back.

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I am pretty happy with the state of the game and the updates we've seen so far. Sure, some things could've been done better but there a lot of things that I could do better as well. While I always strive for perfection the result isn't always perfect. So I don't expect anyone else to be perfect either.

If you don't think FDEV are competent enough to create a good space game you should ask yourself what you are doing here.

You are pretty happy, we get it. Doesnt mean that i am not enjoying the game, nor i should shut my mouth about all the unfinished and half baked stuff that is thrown at me.
No reason to ask myself what i am doing here. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are telling others with different opinion than yours to go away, in nice wording.

If i was promiced a vehicle with 4 wheels and after i paid i received a vehicle with 2 wheels and also i were told that if i use it enough, then maybe it will get the other 2 wheels at some point, then yes you bet that would create some complaints on my side. You go ahead enjoy your two wheeler and dont forget to say thanks.
 
You are pretty happy, we get it. Doesnt mean that i am not enjoying the game, nor i should shut my mouth about all the unfinished and half baked stuff that is thrown at me.
No reason to ask myself what i am doing here. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are telling others with different opinion than yours to go away, in nice wording.

If i was promiced a vehicle with 4 wheels and after i paid i received a vehicle with 2 wheels and also i were told that if i use it enough, then maybe it will get the other 2 wheels at some point, then yes you bet that would create some complaints on my side. You go ahead enjoy your two wheeler and dont forget to say thanks.

You were the one who suggested I will feel punished by the Devs in two years. Please apply the same standards you feel you deserve to others.
 
You are probably right, but its not gonna be on me.

It is on you when you complain about daft stuff which you can't stand up as true. IE going all 'the 100 devs is a lie' etc (when the available info leans the other way). It's tedious and doesn't really get us anywhere.

I've got no issue with you ragging on the other stuff. Some of it's legit, some of it's just compounded anger, but hey, at least it's all something a passing FDev rep can chew on. Complain away ;)
 
In much the same way that no matter what they come out with, you'll find something to moan about?
Again like in other threads you only post and quoting me here and there with no real intention in conversation. Have fun, once more.

It is on you when you complain about daft stuff which you can't stand up as true. IE going all 'the 100 devs is a lie' etc (when the available info leans the other way). It's tedious and doesn't really get us anywhere.

I've got no issue with you ragging on the other stuff. Some of it's legit, some of it's just compounded anger, but hey, at least it's all something a passing FDev rep can chew on. Complain away ;)

Who said that the 100 devs was a lie? You probably quoted the wrong person.
 
Fully agree. Too much emphasis on buzz phrases that sound good, allow dream crafting by the zealots.

Remember when they were 'focusing on core features? Seriously, it sounded like empty optomistic promises from a politician:

The interesting thing about the 'new era' isn't the catch phrases though, it's what they appear to be doing. IE actually changing their approach (away from Seasons, towards a larger, more coherent, single delivery), bringing the possibility of a different / improved result. (Whether it is what it appears to be, and whether it pans out or not, we'll see).

Personally I don't have a beef with the fact that they've focused on core game stuff as the tide-over until the DLC. (It seems a ton of us think, with the benefit of hindsight, that that's what they should have done for the first year of seasonal additions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ). Who cares what they call it, the design direction was a positive in general I reckon.


As to 'Winter is coming.... I called it years back.

Brass tacks for me is: The Thargs themselves are pretty fricking ace (art wise, as an end-game PvE enemy, as a lore backdrop). There's loads more they could do with them (BGS / 'total war' etc etc), and the sequential releases have been way more 'gently boiling frog' than 'sudden storm of wonderousness', for sure. But stepping back, I think winter did alright. Even if it took several years to really bed in ;)
 
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Who said that the 100 devs was a lie? You probably quoted the wrong person.

I read these belaboured repetitions as sarcastic doubt:


Nope. By then, you ll have received enough punishment from the 100 devs that work 100% on ED, you won't be needing me.


Didn't seem a stretch, seeing as you've got a bit of form in the area, IE:


But i know. I mentioned the 100 people with a bit of irony, because THATS what THEY want us to believe.
Heck i would be surprised if they have more than 5-10 full working people on elite. I m sure they diverted all the manpower to other projects by now.


If you weren't saying that what were you saying? :)

Just that you think the result will definitely be terrible? If so, ok, I'll just default to my 'You'll complain no matter what happens Maro' position ;)
 
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I read these belaboured repetitions as sarcastic doubt:

Didn't seem a stretch, seeing as you've got a bit of form in the area, IE:

If you weren't saying that what were you saying? :)

Just that you think the result will definitely be terrible? If so, ok, I'll just default to my 'You'll complain no matter what happens Maro' position ;)
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I read these belaboured repetitions as sarcastic doubt:
Didn't seem a stretch, seeing as you've got a bit of form in the area, IE:
If you weren't saying that what were you saying? :)
Just that you think the result will definitely be terrible? If so, ok, I'll just default to my 'You'll complain no matter what happens Maro' position ;)

Seriously you dug up a post of mine from March 2018? In that post i meant that they want us to believe that 100 devs are working on ED, not that they want us to believe that they have 100 devs, while they have less.

going all 'the 100 devs is a lie' etc

In the above quote, as it seems, you pretty much are calling me a liar, as in i don't think they have 100 devs. They have way more than 100 devs on all projects.

Also you seem to be very good at digging, but you failed to also mention my other post that is in November of 2018 (AFTER the one you quoted to present me as a liar), where i said:

it is confirmed now that they have 100 developers on this title

Funny that i see now, right after the above quote, our fellow StuartGT is quoting me with another meme.

Lol, you two are really funny.
 
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Seriously you dug up a post of mine from March 2018? In that post i meant that they want us to believe that 100 devs are working on ED, not that they want us to believe that they have 100 devs, while they have less.


Yep absolutely. That's what I thought you were saying :D

(Why would anyone argue FDev only have 100 staffing in total? There are links littered through this thread alone talking about them having 400+ etc)


In the above quote, as it seems, you pretty much are calling me a liar, as in i don't think they have 100 devs. They have way more than 100 devs on all projects.


Ok look, for clarity:


  • I'm saying: People who suggest FDev's '100+ devs on ED' claim is a lie are being fairly silly. For the previously given reasons :)

  • I was asking you: Do you still believe that now? Because that's how your post came across. (You still haven't clarified what you were trying to say with that etc)


At no point did I accuse you of lying about anything. Not sure where you got that from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Also you seem to be very good at digging, but you failed to also mention my other post that is in November of 2018 (AFTER the one you quoted to present me as a liar), where i said:


Fair enough :). What caused you to change you mind at the time?
 
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Yep absolutely. That's what I thought you were saying :D

(Why would anyone argue FDev only have 100 staffing in total? There are links littered through this thread alone talking about them having 400+ etc)

Ok look, for clarity:


  • I'm saying: People who suggest FDev's '100+ devs on ED' claim is a lie are being fairly silly. For the previously given reasons :)

  • I was asking you: Do you still believe that now? Because that's how your post came across. (You still haven't clarified what you were trying to say with that etc)
At no point did I accuse you of lying about anything. Not sure where you got that from ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fair enough :). What caused you to change you mind at the time?

At this point i dont have to clarify absolutelly anything to you, since you allready cost me 10 minutes to browse my past posts, and since you will probably dig up something else and quote a small part from a different conversation and use it as an under the belt hit, just to make me look like a bad person. So have fun.

I didn't quote you :S

I know this is not Reddit but i ll help you.
EDIT: You didn't quote me in this thread, but your meme was pointed at me (wasn't it?), so i edited for clarity.

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"our fellow StuartGT is quoting me AGAIN with a meme."

I didn't quote you. I quoted Golgot:

The forum quoting system is very clear. I'm not sure what Reddit has to do with this :S

Yes you didn't quote me on this thread so i edited and corrected my previous post. Your meme was for me and for Golgot's post towards me wasn't it?
 
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