General / Off-Topic Thanks for ruin the game for me haters.

[gregorburns]

I think this is the kind of statement Horsti is referring to.

There's a very far line between stating your personal preference compared to making statements against other members of the community solely because they enjoy RCTW. Completely uncalled for.

I personally bought into RCTW because I want to support the game's development and am an enthusiast. I know that you should never buy into a paid-alpha game unless you are specifically an enthusiast or want to support the game's developement. For the same reasons, I also bought into Planet Coaster's Paid Alpha.

This is exactly right, anyone who has bought into planet coaster has done so for the same reason they may have bought into RCTW, and that is that they are willing to pay the money because it interests them. It shouldn't make one bit of difference to anyone else what you choose to spend your money on. If you have bought something then you have generally done as much research as you deem necessary for yourself.

 

[Brett C]

Moved by request of OP.

 

[Periocus]

Look at this picture. This is hate and not a opinion anymore.
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Ok. Thank you for pointing that out.

I don't know were this comes from. I can only assume it is the fb page they talked about in the RCTW stream.
I think Dalenotchip is right.

The Rollercoaster Tycoon forum might a better place to be to share your thoughts on that game.

 

[Rizzo1]

True that. Also, If you dare to compare the two games, I dare to nail ANY comparison (up to today) down to one sentence, bottom ground:
While PC is not yet a "complete" game and in Alpha stage, and RCTW is somewhat released and hence having way more content in terms of objects, rides and stuff, disregarding all the details the latter dispationally somehow manages to be way less fun than the first already.

I don't begrudge anyone actually having fun with RCTW. Just objectively those seem to be only few, while the rest is legion. And as in any group of persons, there's a percentage of sh*theads. In every party. So what?

 

[Dalenotchip]

All that and haters shouldn't ever ruin a game. Now they can ruin the online community, but the game is just you and the game. You can play and enjoy a game and never talk to anyone else.

Just don't go to those forums where everyone acts like turds.

 

[0BobTheJanitor]

Look at this picture. This is hate and not a opinion anymore.
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I see hateful opinions, but not any attacks... well one attack, but it's the internet. Honestly, the game deserves the hate it gets, and it'd be wrong to silence it. Accusations like these are fear driven, ego defense; theres no problem with what's being said about the game, except alienation. Attacks, who cares, ignore it, but alienation is a terrible thing and should stop.

 

[LeglessBloke]

Hello everybody!
Thans for ruin the game for me haters.
Always when I think about the game, than I not think about how good the game is. (which I should, because otherwise you not want to play it), but I always think about the PC communit and how bad it is. (not here, but on YouTube, Twitch, ....)
So when I tell somebody that I like both games (this and the "other coaster game") than people start hating me and calling bad names to me. In what world do I live that I can't even say my opinion? And people also not make a correct comparision on both games. I will give a example. The other coaster game is ***********, because it cost 45$ and it isn't done yet. But it is okay that PC costs much more and is also not done? yes because it is frontier. Same also about the content. People complaing about the content, but PC also only have a few of things which the other coaster game had. I not want to start a hate here and say that the other coaster game is better. I just want to say that there are different people which have different opinions and that the haters should stop hating the other coaster game or calling somebody bad names just because he or she has a different opinion.
In the time were you hate something or somebody else you could build a BEAUTIFUL park in PC or beating the first Scenario Forest Frontiers from RCT1. And when you say something is bad than you have to say it construtive with a argument.
What would be when every person who not own PC would hate PC? And what would be when people not reporting bugs/improvement ideas and instead only say that the game is ********* instead of giving improvement ideas. Than PC would have a lot of things which aren't good and bugs. But when people reporting bugs and improvement ideas to frontier than they can make the game better.

And before somebody else call me a fanboy from the other coaster game than my answer is NO! I own both games deluxe edition since the first time they released the first version of the game and I also enjoyed both games. And I also want that both games get a big success and will exist many years like RCT2 and RCT3. I also own OpenRCT2, Parkitect and the other old RCT Games.

And now I'm playing PC and I hope I will forget the haters and enjoy the game again like two weeks ago.
Have a nice, FRIENDLY day.

Sorry to hear you're getting hated on! I'm not a big fan of RCTW (utterly hate it tbh!) but I'll agree that petty attacks on the fans are uncalled for! I do know what you mean, I have a completely insignificant YouTube channel and had some distasteful comments thrown at me when I put up a RCTW video ages ago. Personally I just brushed it off and ignored it as I'm fairly thick skinned but I understand that not everyone wants to deal with that rubbish! All I can say is enjoy both games as much as you can and ignore the plonkers, thankfully they're typically only like that online so you can just laugh at them and then go about your day! [up]

 

[Taimaru1]

To the OP, sorry you're being hated on. As others have said, this is the internet so don't take it personally.

Personally, I do not see anything wrong with people hating or criticising a game as long as it's for valid reasons and they're not just following the crowd or hating it because it's the competition to the game they love.

However, I do think it's very wrong to hate people that like or love the game you hate (i.e. RCTW fans). What makes the world an interesting place is the diverse range of people with different opinions and we have to accept that some will see some good in RCTW.

Personally, I tried and hated RCTW and love PC [happy], however, I do see where RCTW fits in alongside PC and Parkitect. The world can certainly do with 3 Rollercoaster type games and neither will suffer as a result of them all existing together. All 3 games have different approaches and they suit different play styles.

However, RCTW does need some serious improvements and bug fixing before it can move from early access and be called a "Release". Sadly, I do have doubts as to whether it will get there. Only time will tell...

In addition, something which I have been thinking about for a while, and is no way directed at anyone here, but I do think it's time for people to stop trying to (hard) push PC to RCTW fans at every opportunity. Whilst we all want RCTW fans "to see the light" and buy PC, repeatedly pushing can actually have the opposite effect and turn them away, as It's human nature to rebel against people pushing their opinions. As an example, you can't get a friend to stop smoking by repeatedly telling them the reasons why they shouldn't smoke.

Planet Coaster will sell itself as it gets closer to release because it will clearly shine as an awesome Rollercoaster game. Gentle pushing rather than hard pushing is what is needed and hating on RCTW fans has no place in this world.

 

[Funrir Woulfe]

Personnaly speaking I don't hate RCTW
I'm more dissaponted in it then outright hate
Same thing happened w/ the new SimCity, I didn't hate it, but it was a huge letdown after SimCity 4 & Rush Hour
It's sad to see that both games were hyped up so much, then the end result was, well, meh
RCTW is still on my computer / steam page, will I play it, maybe once in awhile, but not as often as I did the older RCT games
Heck I've dusted off my RTC 3 disks to play it again because of all that's happened recently

 

[GuyChicago]

The attacks are wrong but they happen. The internet allows a level of selfishness that lets people be more cruel than they usually would be. I'm not saying this is right or agreeing with it.

What I am seeing more & more is RCTW players coming into PC arenas (chats, Twitch, YouTube) and pretty much demanding that both games are equal. I take great offense to that. I've said it in other threads and posts. You can like any game that brings you entertainment and joy. If PC players go to RCTW areas and demand the comparison it's just as wrong.

Like most here, I've been following the development of both and have also done much reading and research on the developers/publishers histories. Atari is littered with money grabs from historic and beloved titles. Frontier does not have this history.

The two games are no longer on the same level. When the second Alpha of PC is released we will see an even bigger chasm in their similarities. "IF" RCTW continues getting it's updates and patches I still believe it will never come close to the level of PC. I'm not saying it won't be playable and have it's followers. Obviously from what we've seen so far those players will always be there. Sincerely I'm very happy for them. BUT their game is not PC and the only similarities is that they are amusement park simulators. The similarities stop there.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Had to remove a few not so helpful posts.

Couple of things to remember.

1) English isn't everyones 1st language and as such allowances should be made for grammatical and spelling errors.
2) Show new forum members how welcoming this forum is and help with constructive comments.

This is a great corner of the internet we have here, loads of friendly and helpful poster.

Thanks everyone. [big grin]

 

[Sawyer1]

I hate the be 'that guy' and while I don't agree with some of the comments towards RCT at all, I think people are just angry and upset and want to voice it to them. At the end of the day, they have taken money on the promise of a high quality game. They didn't deliver on that so people are angry. You can't blame people.

It's very complicated but I really just think people are sick of the game and how we were taking for a ride *pun*.

 

[Curlyriff]

Had to remove a few not so helpful posts.

Couple of things to remember.

1) English isn't everyones 1st language and as such allowances should be made for grammatical and spelling errors.
2) Show new forum members how welcoming this forum is and help with constructive comments.

This is a great corner of the internet we have here, loads of friendly and helpful poster.

Thanks everyone. [big grin]

Aye, I personally only pointed out the grammatical difference in how I was reading because I might have taken things wrongly with what was trying to be said and didn't want that to be the case but hopefully have understood and also the same back for the OP as well.

I am sure we are all happy to welcome another person to the forum and to chat away. Differences of opinion happen and hopefully we can all keep on the right side of discussion and not argumentative with detriment to both isolating someone and not being true to the forum and the passion we all have.

Regards,

Adam

 

[LeglessBloke]

I hate the be 'that guy' and while I don't agree with some of the comments towards RCT at all, I think people are just angry and upset and want to voice it to them. At the end of the day, they have taken money on the promise of a high quality game. They didn't deliver on that so people are angry. You can't blame people.

It's very complicated but I really just think people are sick of the game and how we were taking for a ride *pun*.

I think you're referring to something else! I'm not against people being very disappointed and annoyed with Atari/Nvizzio as you say, but I don't think that's what he is referring to. I think the original poster is talking about personal attacks against the actual fans of the game who're just trying to enjoy it. I've had a couple of the comments directed to me on YouTube when I put up a beta video a while back so I know what he is on about. I'd repeat what was said here to show you what I mean but honestly, it would get me a one way ticket on the Connie Express to the Banned Land amusement park [big grin]

I do think he is preaching to the converted here though as this rubbish only tends to happen on platforms like YouTube. Here the community is fairly decent and I cannot imagine many of the people I've spoken to here engaging in that toxic behaviour. How much of that is down to the moderation team cleaning up I don't know, but the community here is definitely one of the best I've ever seen for a game!

 

[Sawyer1]

I think you're referring to something else! I'm not against people being very disappointed and annoyed with Atari/Nvizzio as you say, but I don't think that's what he is referring to. I think the original poster is talking about personal attacks against the actual fans of the game who're just trying to enjoy it. I've had a couple of the comments directed to me on YouTube when I put up a beta video a while back so I know what he is on about. I'd repeat what was said here to show you what I mean but honestly, it would get me a one way ticket on the Connie Express to the Banned Land amusement park [big grin]

I do think he is preaching to the converted here though as this rubbish only tends to happen on platforms like YouTube. Here the community is fairly decent and I cannot imagine many of the people I've spoken to here engaging in that toxic behaviour. How much of that is down to the moderation team cleaning up I don't know, but the community here is definitely one of the best I've ever seen for a game!

True. I've never and will never be nasty and rude to people who enjoy the game.

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Saying it has ruined the game is a little dramatic though.

 

[EvilScrooge]

Oh, there's no reason to call everyone haters here. We are of course heavily disappointed with the game, but that's all based on the objective awfulness of the product we have been given. I don't even have Planet Coaster and never got any chance to test it myself, but I do have RCTW and to be honest I'm currently going back to RCT2 as there was no reason for me to ever go back to RCTW. As a person who enjoyed beta of the said game I was the perfect target for it and bought it ASAP hoping for at least one decent and working aspect of the game. Sadly this wasn't what happened. Despite the game being past beta (in a weird limbo that shouldn't exist) nothing ther worked properly and what was there was just a bad imitation of a game. Everything was simply inferior to the old RCT3 game (which sadly crushes for me constantly). Obvious next step was to go to their forum and simply ask why after 4 months past beta nothing shown there was fixed and some things got worse where all the added things were in absolutely unusable state. Of course, I was banned immediately. As horrible as it is those guys don't want to hear anything negative you have to say, which is not surprising from the guys who don't know the concept of optimizing. That'[s why I'm here not there. I was able to talk to the others who also see a scam then its thrown in their faces.
There is Pre-Alpha, Alpha, Beta or Gold status. Early Access is not a development stage and surely is not an excuse to release something that you know is atrocious just because you are tired of developing it any further. And what crazy madman sells EA game in a box?
Of course, now we have some hints of poor folks at NVizzio trying to patch some things as hard as they can, but I doubt they ever learn that thing called "optimization" though. So we still can be proven wrong and this team actually could give as bearable peeps some day. BUT a game with such a small amount of detail and barely any postprocessing effects should run like crazy on 8 year old graphic cards instead of lagging on GTX970.

Enjoy the game if you are able to! That's great. It makes me jealous! If I was able to enjoy it I would be a happy guy.
Just you know, as long as "that's Early Access" won't become your excuse for everything wrong with it, you can be completely outspoken about your enjoyment of this game. (bah, I know how bad Dragon Age 2 is, but it won't stop me from loving it)

 

[Gysan]

Well, I know I'm no hater and I take no offence someone throws us all with the same label without thinking. However, I want to reflect on this topic issue in a more common point of view and psychological. Because I find it interesting and not unique:

1. If you have invest money or some kind of effort into something, you are mostly likeable to defend it. No matter what. Because you're stuck with it. (Like when you bought a home console.)
2. All Societies today suffers of the phenomenon usually called Political correctness. The mechanics behind it, to silence or hate those who disagree with you, are the same with peoples opinions about two games, just as it is with politics.
3. Just to many immature people, both kids and adults, comes to speak today without learning the ways of the academics were you search for consensus and understanding with the point of views of those you disagree with without the need of changing your own mind. A question of learning manners in how to debate.
4. Emotional versus critism. Many people attempt to defend franchises because of nostalgia and gets blinded for objective critism. Others hate changes and progress so much they express hate to anything new from the original formula of the franchise. (Common with Super Mario or Star Wars.)

I actually found people on this forum that don't even like others suggestion of improvements from the first Alpha build. They are locket in it as written in stone already, accepting inconvenient features even though they agree on them to be bad. [where is it]

Then of course, it is important to be able to see the different of criticism and disgust. It is more common to criticize what you love than what you hate. Because you want it to be at its best.

 

[EvilScrooge]

I have seen some hostilities on Youtube and of course attacking other peole for liking something you don't is morally wrong, but sometimes its hard for me not to agree with some of the cases. The way people tend to defend this game is just bursting with lies. Sometimes even going so far as to avoid any moves that should be normal but can cause some issues in this game. Like when players place paths miles away from each other knowing this is the only way for anything to work and still claiming this is how they wanted it. Theres also this entire fiasco of constant EA excuse and outright ignoring the entire history of its development just to make it look better.
Hostile, outright aggressive behavior is always undesired, but pointing out someone being wrong is just necessary for people who don't want to sit in the dark. Of course it's up to the individuals to decide if they are wrong or not. We can just influence their opinion by pointing out that what they claim doesn't stick with the facts.

 

[Abletudu]

I think that some of that anger towards the other game was the fact that when people tried to be constructive on the Atari forum, their posts were not only ignored but deleted. This alone outraged a lot of people towards Atari, but since they could not vent their anger on the Atari forum, they lost the focus of where to aim it ande take it out on people rather than the developer.

 

[Buffpuff]

Trying to control the "hate" on the Internet is like trying to empty the oceans with a teaspoon. You're never going to put a dent in it so it's a waste of energy to even try. I'll have to agree with a lot of posters in this thread in that this community has, for the most part, been a very polite and enthusiastic community. Compared to the "Other Place" I'd say it's night and day. For the original OP I'd say follow the chorus of this video:

[video=youtube;8XFBUM8dMqw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XFBUM8dMqw[/video]