In game travel - the critical flaw?

[Stigbob]

Other useless comments are statements such as “Frontier are never going to do it, so don’t bother making a case”, “Elite is not that kind of game”, and “go play another game”. It’s tiring and toxic to be honest.

If the people saying it are enjoying themselves more than you then they are just trying to point you in what they see as the right direction to enjoy the hobby they are enthusiastic about. Which is the whole point of video games.

I've very little time for the ideas of people who come across as miserable when it comes to recreation. They are obviously doing it wrong, or they'd be happier about it.

 

[Siobhan]

If the people saying it are enjoying themselves more than you then they are just trying to point you in what they see as the right direction to enjoy the hobby they are enthusiastic about. Which is the whole point of video games.

I've very little time for the ideas of people who come across as miserable when it comes to recreation. They are obviously doing it wrong, or they'd be happier about it.

I must admit, when I get bored or dismayed at Elite Dangerous, I well... mostly play an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game... sometimes Borderlands, because you know, silliness... or ST:O or something different. Might be for a day, might be a few months. Hmm, not played Warframe in over a year... I always seem to keep coming back though...

 

[Stigbob]

I must admit, when I get bored or dismayed at Elite Dangerous, I well... mostly play an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game... sometimes Borderlands, because you know, silliness... or ST:O or something different. Might be for a day, might be a few months. Hmm, not played Warframe in over a year... I always seem to keep coming back though...

I've never bought into the one game to rule them all idea, I generally have an RTS an FPS (mostly post apocalyptic) and a space flight game going at once. Its like modes the only sensible option is pick the one you want at the time and switch if you feel like it.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

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[VR CMDR Novindus]

If the people saying it are enjoying themselves more than you then they are just trying to point you in what they see as the right direction to enjoy the hobby they are enthusiastic about. Which is the whole point of video games.

I've very little time for the ideas of people who come across as miserable when it comes to recreation. They are obviously doing it wrong, or they'd be happier about it.

If it were not in response to a suggestion to change the part of the game in question, it may have been more applicable. But even then, it would be discounting the fact that people have different tastes and views, and enjoy different things, so therefore would not agree with the “right direction” being suggested. But even all that aside, saying “don’t play that part of the game” is not a way to enjoy that part of the game, which obviously the person making the suggestion wants to be able to do, hence the suggestion.

You don’t need to give any time to suggestions and ideas you don’t like, let alone a little time. But people still get to propose them, and the only productive responses to them are those which are objectively focused on the specifics of the proposal. The other option is silence, which is best for those who have no time for such things.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

No. It isn't.

Guy1: Hey, I love this game, but there’s this particular part of the game I don’t enjoy so much, but would like to, so here’s a suggestion I have, which I’ve neatly posted in the suggestions forum, that being the place created for players to address such things.

Guy2: Just don’t play that part of the game.

Yeah. It’s trolling.

 

[M00ka]

Guy1: Hey, I love this game, but there’s this particular part of the game I don’t enjoy so much, but would like to, so here’s a suggestion I have, which I’ve neatly posted in the suggestions forum, that being the place created for players to address such things.

Guy2: Just don’t play that part of the game.

Yeah. It’s trolling.

If only your neatly posted suggestion was in the umm Suggestion Sub-forum, alas it's not .....

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Guy1: Hey, I love this game, but there’s this particular part of the game I don’t enjoy so much, but would like to, so here’s a suggestion I have, which I’ve neatly posted in the suggestions forum, that being the place created for players to address such things.

Guy2: Just don’t play that part of the game.

Yeah. It’s trolling.

Sometimes it is. Mostly it isn't.

I haven't yet done any of the Guardian stuff because it looks a bit laborious, but at some point it's going to tickle my fancy and I'll do it. Just because I currently don't want to play that part of the game (as I wouldn't enjoy it) doesn't mean it needs changing. The correct attitude, for me, is "don't play that part of the game".

 

[Stigbob]

If it were not in response to a suggestion to change the part of the game in question, it may have been more applicable. But even then, it would be discounting the fact that people have different tastes and views, and enjoy different things, so therefore would not agree with the “right direction” being suggested. But even all that aside, saying “don’t play that part of the game” is not a way to enjoy that part of the game, which obviously the person making the suggestion wants to be able to do, hence the suggestion.

Its not a suggestion to change its griping about change and wanting an almost universally popular upgrade rolled back in some cases by people who have never even tried it.

You don’t need to give any time to suggestions and ideas you don’t like, let alone a little time. But people still get to propose them, and the only productive responses to them are those which are objectively focused on the specifics of the proposal. The other option is silence, which is best for those who have no time for such things.

Nobodies saying you can't propose them, you however are definitely stuck in a rut of saying people shouldn't oppose them.

It works equally both ways or your argument immediately falls flat, which it already has done. Its not a persuasive argument its an indication you lack one when you demand your own freedom of speech whilst wanting other people limited in that area.

 

[M00ka]

Sometimes it is. Mostly it isn't.

I haven't yet done any of the Guardian stuff because it looks a bit laborious, but at some point it's going to tickle my fancy and I'll do it. Just because I currently don't want to play that part of the game (as I wouldn't enjoy it) doesn't mean it needs changing. The correct attitude, for me, is "don't play that part of the game".

Exactly, that is what I thought all normal people did! For example, I have no interest in PowerPlay, Squadrons, or PvP, so I have just not done any of those activities. Yet I am not on the forums 'suggesting' changes to any of those three activities on the off chance that the changes I suggest might make those aspects of the game more attractive to me. There is enough in the game to keep me occupied, heck my 'to-do' list grows each week.

 

[Stigbob]

Yeah. It’s trolling.

Name calling is about as weak as arguments can get.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Exactly, that is what I thought all normal people did! For example, I have no interest in PowerPlay, Squadrons, or PvP, so I have just not done any of those activities. Yet I am not on the forums 'suggesting' changes to any of those three activities on the off chance that the changes I suggest might make those aspects of the game more attractive to me. There is enough in the game to keep me occupied, heck my 'to-do' list grows each week.

Spot on. In fact I like the fact that there are parts of the game that don't currently appeal to me, because my tastes and interests will undoubtedly change over time. Who knows, one day I may become a hard-core PVPer! Just not today...

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Sometimes it is. Mostly it isn't.

I haven't yet done any of the Guardian stuff because it looks a bit laborious, but at some point it's going to tickle my fancy and I'll do it. Just because I currently don't want to play that part of the game (as I wouldn't enjoy it) doesn't mean it needs changing. The correct attitude, for me, is "don't play that part of the game".

That’s a completely valid attitude. But so is brainstorming a suggestion if you think something could be improved. If you tell people to simply not engage with the game in that way rather than make a suggestion to improve it, then even if you don’t want to call it trolling, it’s still entirely useless and unneeded, and likely to degrade the discussion.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Name calling is about as weak as arguments can get.

Good thing I didn’t call anyone any names then, but rather identified a category of behaviour, and pointed it out.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

If only your neatly posted suggestion was in the umm Suggestion Sub-forum, alas it's not .....

Fair point.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

That’s a completely valid attitude. But so is brainstorming a suggestion if you think something could be improved. If you tell people to simply not engage with the game in that way rather than make a suggestion to improve it, then even if you don’t want to call it trolling, it’s still entirely useless and unneeded, and likely to degrade the discussion.

Making suggestions is absolutely fine, but so is other people rejecting them. The whole 'wormhole/jumpgate' thing for instance - they're perfectly good suggestions, just not for Elite.

If every suggestion to improve convenience were taken up then we'd have a game in which every star in the galaxy was reachable in no more than two jumps, and every station would be less than 500Ls from the drop-in point, because who has the time?

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Spot on. In fact I like the fact that there are parts of the game that don't currently appeal to me, because my tastes and interests will undoubtedly change over time. Who knows, one day I may become a hard-core PVPer! Just not today...

Nothing wrong with that. But also nothing wrong with wanting to make a suggestion, which is facilitated by the developers in this forum. Both choices are quite normal, and just a matter of preference.

 

[Ca$hback]

Schmee, flunk the maggot.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

Making suggestions is absolutely fine, but so is other people rejecting them. The whole 'wormhole/jumpgate' thing for instance - they're perfectly good suggestions, just not for Elite.

If every suggestion to improve convenience were taken up then we'd have a game in which every star in the galaxy was reachable in no more than two jumps, and every station would be less than 500Ls from the drop-in point, because who has the time?

Goal posts moved.

I already stated that criticism on the specifics of a proposal is perfectly valid. You don’t have to agree with any suggestion. What I’ve taken issue with is people telling those putting forward ideas, that they shouldn’t do so, and should just choose not to play those parts of the game, or in some cases telling them to go play a different game rather than making a suggestion.

 

[M00ka]

That’s a completely valid attitude. But so is brainstorming a suggestion if you think something could be improved. If you tell people to simply not engage with the game in that way rather than make a suggestion to improve it, then even if you don’t want to call it trolling, it’s still entirely useless and unneeded, and likely to degrade the discussion.

I am beginning to wonder if you realise the scope of your proposed change? It isn't like suggesting a weapon gets changed or a module gets a nerf/buff to make it more appealing. What you are asking is a radical change to the fundamental core of the game, the very way we all play it. Jumping is the game, if your aren't jumping between systems you aren't playing the game. And you want that to change because you feel it is boring. Well it is supposed to be boring, it conveys the vast distances we are travelling. We aren't dropping around the corner, we are flying Light Years. Some people play the game to only that, to get as far away from humanity as they can. They don't care if they are jumping once a minute, it is the journey they look for, the chance of discovery, of wonder, of people the first human to see some unique feature.