And FDev have buffed jump ranges and profits several times.
Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen
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Let me boil it down for you!
Using Drag Munitions in PvP makes PvP less fun. Speed is fun. Moving is fun. Moving in molasses is not fun. The advantage is such it seems likely you'll have to have Drags to be competitive out in the wild (especially when combined with other effects like Force Shell or FSD Disruptors).
Considering FDEV's track record on changing things, like the heat meta of ages past, some players have decided to use the new Drag Munitions destroying other players in order to demonstrate how un-fun the change is. Some players are taking issue with this because of ignorance, fear mongering, or outright hatred of the players involved.
Nah, some people are taking issues because of the kneejerk overaction for a change in a game, the hypocrisy of finding something unfun and writing dozen of comments (with the usual disguised insult "People not agreeing are just bad at the game") while they have no problem laughing at people who find unfun being blown up for no reason, crying about the negative and toxic behaviour they themselves created, when it gets right back at them.
I'm going to have fun going through the comments again tonight. Please resume your... thing
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Ozric
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That's a rather generalising view of people, and actually ignoring a lot of the reasons given in this very thread.
Ya, I should've added more, didn't mean to sound complaining about sacrificing cargo for heavy defensive modules. I actually thoroughly enjoy engineering and figuring out what will work.
I've yet to get drag/Grom bombed, but if it is big an issue as some are saying, I might even look into fast fsd reboot for an FSD (think I actually have a Class 5 or 6 with it stored somewhere). Some deep space exploration trips have cured me of caring if bubble travel is 4 jumps or 14.
And some take issue because annoying others just to make a point is a pretty lame thing to do. No hatred or ignorance needed for that.
Nah yeah, nah mate. I think he really nailed it there. Spot on commentary, really.
it's not smart communication, but he has a point. whatever your think of this group (from pvp knights to psychopaths, choose your fantasy) they do have their daily share of hate and dismissal here. just because it's done from a self-righteous and perceived moral high ground (and enjoys more moderation lenience) doesn't make it less real. more than trying to annoy (which can be), he is stating facts here. uncomfortable facts, maybe.
PvP players:"We dont like something in a game, so we'll annoy as many people as we can until FD changes it!"
Other folks:"Okay, that is rather lame."
PvP folks:"You guys are ignorant haters! Leave us alone, big meanies!"
It's straight trolling and nothing else. You can't "demonstrate" how unfun the Drag munitions are to random strangers, because for most players it's already inherently unfun to be assaulted randomly. The obnoxiousness of the assault itself supersedes any demonstration you could hope to make.
If you send a chat message telling your victim to tell Frontier that you told them that they should tell Frontier that you don't like Drag munitions, well, at that point you're just engaging in the most low stakes form of virtual terrorism ever conceived, and it really doesn't matter what missile you shoot your victim with to send that message.
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I dont think people who literally tell others their opinion is worthless and they should stay out of a discussion can complain about dismissive attitudes. And if you intentionally and explicitly publicly announce you are going to be a bunghole, you should not be upset when people point out you are acting like a bunghole. Beyond that, obviously you have daft angry nerdbois on every side of every internet discussion, and I have frequently defended pvp from the 'they are like hitler times ten!' crowd.
But this "omg wy people so mean after we threaten and insult them?" complaining is feeble. Because thst is either incredibly insincere, or some need to 'git gud' at basic human interaction.
It's kind of amusing how he you don't realize that Aark's post actually support's Phisto's statement. Carry on, man. Glad to see you posting again
bypassing the superlative (chill!
) ... you do realize terrorism is just another way of warfare, right? the only difference in legitimacy is the amount of people and wealth backing any specific faction (or state). or have you watched that much neolib crap tv to even get that wrong??? 
As much as Phisto and I don't get along, I agree 100% with that statement. A lot of PvE players see that you gank and suddenly you must be a terrible person in real life. This was clearly apparent in the DG2 aftermath.
Maybe he realized that Ark's statement, when read with a different presumptive set of values, did support his point and he was double-secret-probation meta-ironically agreeing in order to highlight this lack of self-awareness on the part of his ideological opponent?It's kind of amusing how he you don't realize that Aark's post actually support's Phisto's statement. Carry on, man. Glad to see you posting again
Speed is fun? Huh, never got that sort of thrill. I’d much rather have a Guillie suit, a large caliber rifle and a scope and sit more still than death for hours on end to deliver that one perfect shot than rush about madly. So I’m going to have to put the “Subjective” stamp on this. Sure, I get some people do enjoy it. Some people consider NASCAR a sport too. To each their own here.
Now, as to being competitive... it would seem to me the counter for something like this might lie in another special effect, Screening Shell isn’t it? That frag effect designed to shoot down incoming missiles? That, combined with some of that fancy FA-Off maneuvering folks like to boast about? Isn’t that what PvP play is supposed to be all about? Showing off your mastery of combat AND flight skills?
But that’s not the vibe I’m getting here. I’m getting a “they’re making me learn to deal with something I’ve been doing for years in a new way and I don’t want to have to get better, and I don’t want to adapt, and if I can’t have my way, here come the toys, right out of the pram, oh and I’m going to relieve myself on them first so you have to touch them that way.”
That’s what I’m getting from this.
Yes, it is a change. They changed Exploration too, but you didn’t see a Special Operation headed up by a bunch of ADS hold-outs blowing up completely random players simply because they didn’t like the change. We did have a 200+ page thread about it, there was a lot of foot-stomping, and a lot of “no, you deal with it.” and that was pretty much the end of that.
Back on the subject of fun, here’s something else lots of people consider fun: picking up a load of Bio-waste, flying it a few light years to the next station to drop it off, picking up a load of hydrogen fuel, flying that to another station a few light years away, and so on, until they’ve had all the fun they can stand.
What they don’t find fun is some maniac with a misplaced grudge, inflated sense of importance and a load of drag munitions jumping them, blasting them, not even saying “That’s to show Frontier how much I don’t like something that has nothing to do with you.” and having to start doing what they were doing all over again.
You might as well post videos of throwing Weighted bags of puppies into the river in protest - it wouldn’t be any less offensive to those who don’t share the same definition of what fun is.
Shot placement trumps caliber everyday my dude.
Ozric
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This thread is not about simple ganking.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Oh you know all those propaganda videos you spoke about.
People like Ryan, Rinzler, Hazzmango, All help the community out quite a bit. They will sit down and teach you to get better.
When GCI was formed back in the day. I joined it and was taught by people like Bazinga, Space Mage DownF0rce and Nyxi as well as Potter and some of the SDC guys like Derthgrips, Jot and Hellz.
These guys have literally put the community on their back.
You need to check yourself Aunt. Your posts are getting absolutely ridiculous.
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