Oh, does that mean SDC are going to stop ganking now?
LOL, of course it doesn't.
Business as usual.
Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen
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Oh, does that mean SDC are going to stop ganking now?
LOL, of course it doesn't.
Business as usual.
Sure. I think Frontier shouldn't be advancing changes that they're this willing to back down from. Either they've thought it through or they haven't. If they haven't thought it through, shame on them for making random unconsidered changes to the game when there are so many pressing issues they could be fixing. Whoever is responsible for advancing this change should reconsider their career.Once they revert it - can we have a good moan about how it should've stayed as it was and how dare they cave in etc etc
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If they HAVE thought it through, and there are genuine reasons for making this change which fit into some larger plan, then stay the damn course and don't bail at the first sign of pushback. News flash: the state of Combat in Elite is terrible right now. Any meaningful improvements will have to step on a lot of people's toes who have gotten used to the way things work right now. If you can't handle the criticism you are resigning yourself to making the game worse and worse forever.
It's not poking fun at gankers. It's the lack of knowledge about PvP, weapon balance, and your apparent zeal to use other topics like griefing and the modes as a cudgel. Your posts strike me as more interested in attacking perceived enemies than anything else.
Use our own actions in this matter as an example to illustrate my point. You said you wouldn't even be back in a position to try out the effects for another couple weeks and yet said the things you said. I said the things I said but jumped in the moment the update was completed to see what was up. I also changed my view on the subject matter based on my experience, though I still concluded the change was bad and should be removed. Very pleased to see FDEV pledging to change it. Possibly revisiting the issue doesn't bother me either as perhaps they'll consider the change along with many others this game sorely needs in the realm of ship to ship combat.
Listen more to the people on the other side of the aisle. That's all I'm asking.
Regarding the smoke, no, but thank you!
There's been roughly two kinds of people in this thread.
First, those that play the game and understand how bad of a change it was. They also understand how bad the implementation was. Because they care they did what they thought best to campaign for its change. Was it perfect? Probably not. We're all human and this game and its challenges have a long history.
Second, the others who incorrectly sensed salt from "gankers and griefers" and jumped all over the chance to rub their noses in said perceived salt come hell or high water.
I will take the first group every damn time.
I love open play, I love elite dangerous - I think it's safe to say we all love the game and that's why we care enough to post here. I don't see how the method of ganking everyone is helpful. It's not proving anything. An experienced PVP pilot could do the same thing with almost any set-up, "proving" that build to be OP. If it's not about proving it to be OP, but just "less fun" then I can't see this 'protest' as anything less than a tantrum.
I get that it might make PVP slower/less fun for some people, and to others it's a great thing to have for either offence/defense. How about all the people complaining about it make a gentleman's agreement not to use these weapons? Again, many people arguing for the changes to be revoked admit to being members of tight-knit communities, surely these communities are strong enough to make such an agreement?
What about all the people who like the change? What about their fun? Is it less important than yours? Simple answer "no". The people who don't like the new change can choose to agree not to use the new effect. If Frontier give in to your in-game terrorism, the people on other side of this argument don't get a choice. Think about it.
I get that it might make PVP slower/less fun for some people, and to others it's a great thing to have for either offence/defense. How about all the people complaining about it make a gentleman's agreement not to use these weapons? Again, many people arguing for the changes to be revoked admit to being members of tight-knit communities, surely these communities are strong enough to make such an agreement?
What about all the people who like the change? What about their fun? Is it less important than yours? Simple answer "no". The people who don't like the new change can choose to agree not to use the new effect. If Frontier give in to your in-game terrorism, the people on other side of this argument don't get a choice. Think about it.
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Soda just came out my nose. Have you taken a good look at some of the more outspoken of these folks? The ones who proudly post their "watch me blow up 1000 clueless newbies trying to leave the pad for the first time, from inside the station" videos. These are the polar opposite of "gentlemen". How about the ones who insert themselves into known PvE Private Groups just so they can see how many people they can blow up before they are ejected from said private groups? Even worse than the first bunch.
I wouldn't trust any agreement with these people, if it were writ in blood, on hand-pressed vellum, bound in the tanned hide of the unbaptized, and sealed in gold by the hands of the gods themselves. And that's on their best days.
I've made the your fun vs. my fun position more than a few times, but there is still one more thing that overrides all of that: Frontier's Vision.
Despite all the forums, feedbacks, open-letters, internet videos - Elite is still not now, nor has it even been, and will in all likelihood never be a Design-by-Committee game. Just ask all those people out there who paid $300 for the right to read a defunct forum (the sacred DDF), listen to the real developers and designers talk, post their own thoughts to be almost entirely ignored, who are still bitter about it to this day.
Frontier is going to do what Frontier does to fulfill their fun first. We'll always be back-seated to that.
How about during the PvP tournaments that they run? I participated in one once. The rules were very clear. And gods help you if you tried to cheat by bringing banned weapons, synthesis, or ships.
Sorry, but you're just wrong here.
Do take very careful note - I did not say "all" of the PvP'er. I know quite a few who are quite reasonable, decent folk, who have also condemned some of the worst behavior exhibited by those I have mentioned. I may not engage in PvP for my own reasons, but I do not advocate abolishing it, nor condemn anyone who chooses to engage in it, when it is within the rules of the game, within the rules established by Private Group owners, and governed by both good sportsmanship and mutual respect.
The people you are rushing to defend here have proven, by their own words and deeds, to have none of these qualities.
Oh sure, i'm in no way an expert on PvP, but that's pretty irrelevant to this thread since we are mainly in agreement anyway that the current version of drag is probably a bad thing. So somehow, even with my lack of expertise in PvP i come to the same conclusion as the experts. Amazing!
Also not sure how not being an expert in PvP translates into me having no knowledge of any part of the game. That's a strange one. PvP is a tiny part of the game.
As for listening more, always willing to listen, and always willing to say i disagree if i disagree.
I hate to break it to you, but that's not how people work.
They are roughly 2 dozen different people posting in this thread, so as many different opinion and feeling on the initial post, the Drag Experimental effect change and its impact, PVPers, Griefers, PVErs, what's good for the game, what's bad for the game, etc.
Laughing at attention seeking and temper tantrum habits (also called "operation"), has become a tradition due to their predictable occurrence and outcome. So it's more a "stealing the salt from the miners" thing than mining it yourself
Nobody care about how good people are at video game, unless they make million of real money.
Opinion of people being good at the game, very rarely influence a game designer decision. Design is done in order to satisfy the 80% portion of players in a Bell curve, not the top decile.
Like the engineer Material mechanic, which was probably change due to low player engagement.
Social Media/forum outburst influencing/driving change, is fortunately the exception not the rule.
Burnt umber and ultramarine blue make for a really nice, deep black.
a little early for this drastic measure , but im not complaining
I asked for a SDC operation and they gave me one. And before it even really started, FDev announced to revert this broken change.
Thanks SDC.
Seems like these operations have more influence than we thought.
Balance police strikes again.
Thanks SDC.
Seems like these operations have more influence than we thought.
Balance police strikes again.
What you and many other PvPers fail to comprehend is that it's not the "reasons" why you are
No, no, no. This is all wrong. You are the bad guy. They are the good guys. GDC saved the day again. They won. You lost. Praise GDC, the saviors of Elite: Dangerous!
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