As long as we get another couple horizons type updates, the lifetime pass I bought will be worth it. I have three other accounts too so Frontier will get even more money from me down the line.
What is Lifetime season pass ?
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Rafe Zetter
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All of this depends on how you view the development speed thus far and tie that in with "We will support the game for 10 years" which is an offical DB and FDev statement.
If FDev means they will continue to develop the game for a period of 10 years from launch, we've only got 5.5 years left, and in the previous 4.5 years they have only managed ONE PAID EXPANSION (and only partially complete at that.)
TWO more expansions at FDev's current rate would take most of that remaining time, by most people standards having to wait 10 years for a product that even only then EQUALS THE COST OF WHAT'S BEEN SOLD, can't be considered good value.
The ONLY WAY the LEP can ever be considered "good value" is if the products received under it have a HIGHER MONETARY VALUE THAN WHAT'S BEEN PAID.
I just don't beleive FDev will ever produce enough expansions to make this true - and I'm not talking about adding overpriced, mostly empty, DLC's either.
I have a LEP , not disappointed with it either.
Yes, could have got all current stuff so far cheaper, but who knows what they have in store for us in the future.
The expansion / season plan etc changed from when they were sold, so what do we get for future stuff?
I believe it was Sandro , if not it was one of the FD devs on the stream a while back answered that question vaguely.
words to the effect of , they are not forgotten and we will make sure they are taken care of.
Not a direct quote , just remembering from the top of my head. Maybe a new ship variant or shipkit paintjobs? i have no idea but look forward to finding out.
Elite is a great game, so supporting it in those earlier days with a LEP , i hope in my older days they will support my Cmdr in his older years.
Yes, could have got all current stuff so far cheaper, but who knows what they have in store for us in the future.
The expansion / season plan etc changed from when they were sold, so what do we get for future stuff?
I believe it was Sandro , if not it was one of the FD devs on the stream a while back answered that question vaguely.
words to the effect of , they are not forgotten and we will make sure they are taken care of.
Not a direct quote , just remembering from the top of my head. Maybe a new ship variant or shipkit paintjobs? i have no idea but look forward to finding out.
Elite is a great game, so supporting it in those earlier days with a LEP , i hope in my older days they will support my Cmdr in his older years.
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To that i'll just add that if they really care they could give us (at least) some exclusive paint jobs with each mini update.... but they tend to give them with huge random games on their livestreams...
Just wait, I'm sure someone will claim that "no one promised" there would be one expansion per year (even though this was obviously the original development model) or that "we got two years from Horizons" (even though it was a single minimum viable product expansion delayed over two years) and so on. Then there will be the nonsensical "well I've played 1000 hours so the LEP was actually a great deal for me" even though most players got that same content for a fraction of the cost of an LEP.
If you look at the recent interview with Braben he doesn't even recall that players have paid cash money for Horizons when it launched. He actually thinks that "all the expansions have been free" which is almost incomprehensible given that he's the CEO of the company.
Basically LEP customers have been thrown under the bus and will never break even for what they paid, much less get any sort of "deal" for purchasing an LEP.
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Sole Hunter
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honestly to think about it. I'm glad I saved my money, 1 expansion in 4 years of development is pretty despicable.
Well, they did say that LEP holders will be well looked after in the Update 4 this year.
Here is something I hope for:
- Microcarrier (small carrier for 2-3 ships, 1 large, 2 medium or 1 large and 1 medium and 2 small), basically a mobile base, but not a battle barge.
- New SRVs (they are already in game, like Skimmer or Goliath)
- Access to Decals given out at LaveCon for those who do not live in the UK but would like to attend anyway. (Blizzard does a great job with this, you buy your virtual ticket, and you get the same goodies as someone who attended on site, you can watch all the streams and panels live or recorded)
Food for thought there FDev
Tell me about it. I bought mine AFTER purchasing Horizons so I've yet to see any return on my investment (3 years after purchase).
I own my decision to do so however and I don't begrudge doing it as I love this game. It is disappointing to know that ED values my custom so little compared to how much I appreciate their game.
It is frustrating however to be half way through 'The Beyond' updates and still have no announcement about what the premium content LEP holders will be receiving.
All I can say is it better be damned good! lol
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I tend to imagine atmospheric planets and space legs are likely to be paid expansion but both of those are a way off, space legs especially.
I reckon space legs makes most sense as a paid expansion since half the people here seem to be in the "I don't want it!" camp - no sense forcing it on people and if you do want it, well, most who want it would pay I think.
Not sure beyond that... Something to do with deeper interaction with aliens perhaps? If we get alien bases perhaps only limited interaction unless you pay for the 'alien encounters' pack or something.
Bit tricky really, building a game in a modular way so that a player can have any combination of bits but still has a coherent experience and such that someone with all the bits also tends not to see the joins too much. So much easier with just paint jobs and other cosmetics, they don't impact the game play just the look. Perhaps that's the way FD will mostly go, principally cosmetics with most game changes free to all and only one or two paid expansions at obvious join points... So kind of what they have been doing then really...
I reckon space legs makes most sense as a paid expansion since half the people here seem to be in the "I don't want it!" camp - no sense forcing it on people and if you do want it, well, most who want it would pay I think.
Not sure beyond that... Something to do with deeper interaction with aliens perhaps? If we get alien bases perhaps only limited interaction unless you pay for the 'alien encounters' pack or something.
Bit tricky really, building a game in a modular way so that a player can have any combination of bits but still has a coherent experience and such that someone with all the bits also tends not to see the joins too much. So much easier with just paint jobs and other cosmetics, they don't impact the game play just the look. Perhaps that's the way FD will mostly go, principally cosmetics with most game changes free to all and only one or two paid expansions at obvious join points... So kind of what they have been doing then really...
^^ This ^^
Even accounting for the pass, the initial kickstarter and all the extras from the Elite Store, I've still spent less per hour of play time on this game than on many others that I've purchased.
Certainly it's no worse than other things where I've pre-ordered or purchased season expansions that have turned out to be less than amazing.
Certainly it's no worse than other things where I've pre-ordered or purchased season expansions that have turned out to be less than amazing.
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That I think is the best level to have gone in at. You get a shiny box, t-shirt book and all content for the game. I think it is a safe bet you will end up quids in. 1 more DLC will do it (game was £20, horizons £30 iirc then the short and book)
With hind site that is where I wished I had stopped however on the back of DB etc al waxing lyrical and reading what was in the DDF I kicked in some more on top and on good faith bought some ship skins (that do not interest me in the slightest as we're not earned in game).
With hind site I wish I had stayed at the £85...... But lesson learned and all that. I will save money in the long run thanks to my experience and wait now till games are out and dropped significantly in price before going in.
ED is a good game but it is not the game I thought FD wanted to make. DBs comment that ED wan not going to be an MMO in the usual sense was massive for me, and yet what has transpired is we get all the limitations and compromises of an MMO but without really having the upsides of one either.
Where did they say there will be yearly paid expansions? I understand it's what you expected but it isn't what was sold. The only idea we have about the amount of planned expansions is from an early newsletter:
- Landing/ driving / prospecting on airless rocky planets, moons & asteroids
- Walking around interiors and combative boarding of other ships
- Combat and other interactions with other players and AIs in the internal areas of star ports
- Accessing richly detailed planetary surfaces
- Availability of giant ‘executive control’ ships to players
That's five, not ten.
Sorry but that's factually wrong.
After keeping this forum alive when there were only 12 (or so) of us lurking here, and pushing Frontier to make Elite 4 (here we go again, Alien beating that dead horse [facepalm]) and being here when the kickstarter was announced and backing it on day 1, and backing at a certain level and helping make Elite Dangerous a reality (by backing it on kickstarter) .... I see the LEP as a kind of "Thank You" and nothing more.
Do I think I got value for money? Yes, I do. I have no complaints because the alternative was not getting Elite 4 at all.
Do I think I got value for money? Yes, I do. I have no complaints because the alternative was not getting Elite 4 at all.
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Indeed R-Sole, this is especially the case because when the latter LEPs were offered for sale, it was patently implied that there would be one expansion per year (give or take) based on the precedent set...otherwise how could one be expected to make an informed decision; if this was never intended & Frontier really cared about transparency, they should have given an express disclaimer that expansions were not guaranteed every year (or even biennially, as it transpired).
I deliberately avoided purchasing a LEP for entirely different reasons which I've expressed in more detail before - the financial & motivation implications for the game; the outpouring of love & trust in buying a LEP gives the company a nice big lump sum to re-invest (let's not even speculate whether those funds were diverted to other projects) but causes a decrease in demand & consequently, potential revenue from each new DLC
- that's an incontrovertible fact - which of course, makes this business model relatively less appealing & pushes other models to the forefront for a profit-motivated entity. Anyone who knows the story of how Mr Braben dealt with Ian Bell's rights to the intellectual property of Elite can see that profit is very much a priority at the expense of all other considerations; behold - the rise of the micro-transaction.
Many people defending LEPs are doing it sometimes out of cognitive dissonance but often pure denial! It reminds me of parents who smoke in their houses & when one explains the dangers of passive smoking on their kids - they get indignant & block out any guilt by deluding themselves; but let's be plain - they have almost certainly harmed their own kids' development! Just like LEP holders have almost certainly harmed Elite's; the only issue up for debate is, to what degree?!
I wonder how long this post will last in the 'Innocuous Discussions' section.
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