Question for the devs:everything purchasable with ingame Credits?

[Vandyl]

I don't believe that this would be a negative thing, or how will FD deal with the gold farmers?

Simple. Don't allow player to player trade. Or more specifically, no direct credit exchange between characters.

Although I don't think gold sellers will be an issue in E: D. Not really anyway to advertise it with the limits of players per instance and such.

 

[Ozric]

If not, then please stop using hyperbole...it doesn't help your argument.

No but unfortunately it does get a response, in the same way that a spoilt child will scream it's head off in the shops knowing that it's parents will cave in

 

[xDreadnoughtx]

Hi Michael, you might have missed my question posted above (and the reason for this thread ):



(or do I have to use Sanderson's strategy to get you to reply )

OPs question seems worthy of an answer.

I'm not fussed about paying for pretty stuff. Just happens that none of what has been on offer has been industrial enough for me so far, or its been too pricey.

However I would like to know whether there is an intention to be able to buy certain skins for in game credits.

 

[Tinman]

No but unfortunately it does get a response, in the same way that a spoilt child will scream it's head off in the shops knowing that it's parents will cave in

Then those kids haven't met me.

If anyone of my three kids ever try that tactic (and the have tried once) that only results in me carrying them out to the car immediately. And whatever they wanted at the time they can forget about the next time we go.

I do love the little monsters though!!

 

[Sanderson]

I didn't use a "tactic" I posted about what I thought was a horrible response to the OP's question. Which by the way, didn't answer the question at all. Now we know, Frontier needs the money to pay monthly salaries. Case closed is it not?

 

[Niewinter]

i have no problem with cash shop nor cosmetic gear for real $ especially in E as i can always switch to solo or group play were no kreditcard cowboys wil be.

and if they by in with a massive amount of cash and they can develop more stuff for me im fin with it if we would only have multiplayer PU i would think cash shop is a bad idea.

 

[Cosmos]

It was merely an observation. We're a business and to be honest, I like getting paid each month, so of course we will explore avenues of income.

Cosmetic add-ons have been floated for a while and seemed like a reasonable path to follow.

Michael

Understood It is a reasonable path provided such things aren't exclusively obtained by MT. I think its fair to say no one wants a P2W scenario with people being able to buy ships and equipment etc.. Yet, I think people get the argument that the game needs a revenue stream to help its further success and development and pay the bills. So even though the idea of buying credits does grate, it seems rather more benign than some of the alternatives.

I say this with a bit of reluctance but if there were some careful restrictions on optionally buying credits from Frontier, without it becoming overly advantageous, its possible I could be persuaded that might also be a pragmatic way forward too. The devil of such things is in the detail of course. /shrug

 

[xaccers]

I didn't use a "tactic" I posted about what I thought was a horrible response to the OP's question. Which by the way, didn't answer the question at all. Now we know, Frontier needs the money to pay monthly salaries. Case closed is it not?

The OP's question is based on a false premise, that the Kickstarter campain said "Everything in the game will be purchasable with ingame Credits" as a free floating statement, when actually it was in response to the question "Will it be free to play after initial purchase?"
The answer to the question also said that we will probably be able to buy credits with cash, but that part strangely gets ignored by the "we want everything free, you said so!" brigade.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Cosmetic add-ons have been floated for a while and seemed like a reasonable path to follow.

As proposed / suggested many times by myself & others:

- Some items you can only buy exclusively from the merchandise shop
- Some unique items you can only earn by playing the game (faction related perhaps)


Meh! Not sure why I really care about this anyway but that's my 2cs.

 

[Cosmos]

The OP's question is based on a false premise, that the Kickstarter campain said "Everything in the game will be purchasable with ingame Credits" as a free floating statement, when actually it was in response to the question "Will it be free to play after initial purchase?"
The answer to the question also said that we will probably be able to buy credits with cash, but that part strangely gets ignored by the "we want everything free, you said so!" brigade.

I do agree in part that its not helpful if people dig their heels into the ground and are unwilling to be flexible in their interpretation of this. Like you say, there was a caveat in the original statement that talked about being able to buy some credits to boost progress through the game.

 

[Sanderson]

Personally, I don't care either way as far as in game or out of game purchases are concerned as long as it's just cosmetic stuff. Although I believe we will see real money ships and items before it's over. Just my opinion.

Frontier is a business, so the goal is to make money. I gave my money to the business out of free will so I'm not complaining. I just think it would be great if people took the rose colored glasses off on occasion and realized that, in the end, it's about making money.

So if one asks themselves can this be answered with "we did it to make money", a LOT of questions would be answered.

[edit] I'd better clarify that I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing before a certain "protector of Micheal's honor" feels the need to attack again.

 

[Alric]

I didn't use a "tactic" I posted about what I thought was a horrible response to the OP's question. Which by the way, didn't answer the question at all. Now we know, Frontier needs the money to pay monthly salaries. Case closed is it not?

It did answer the question. It just made the assumption that we didn't need it spelling out to us that supporting a game long-term requires a source of regular income.

 

[Tinman]

I didn't use a "tactic" I posted about what I thought was a horrible response to the OP's question. Which by the way, didn't answer the question at all. Now we know, Frontier needs the money to pay monthly salaries. Case closed is it not?

Are you telling me a company needs money to pay monthly salaries!!!!

Good thing Michael told us!! I certainly wouldn't have been able to figure that out on my own!!
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This case was closed a loooong time ago...

 

[Rookie Ray]

The original Kickstarter also said that you could buy credits for cash - which has been negatively received. Would you prefer that?

Michael

Yes. So then people that work all day all week can pay extra to avoid the grind. It'll never improve the way they fly. It's a better solution that locking things behind a paywall.

EDIT: I was right all along "It was merely an observation. We're a business and to be honest, I like getting paid each month, so of course we will explore avenues of income"

The money grubbing has nothing to do with servers, it's just plain old money grubbing.

 

[Ervig]

The OP's question is based on a false premise, that the Kickstarter campain said "Everything in the game will be purchasable with ingame Credits" as a free floating statement, when actually it was in response to the question "Will it be free to play after initial purchase?"
The answer to the question also said that we will probably be able to buy credits with cash, but that part strangely gets ignored by the "we want everything free, you said so!" brigade.

To be a bit more clear, I edited the TS. What I would really love an answer to (Michael?) is:

Will cosmetic modifications (like paint-jobs, bobbleheads etc.) only be available in the cash-store, or will it be possible to earn some cosmetic modifications ingame.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

This case was closed a loooong time ago...

No it wasn't ... Until FD confirm / deny something then all bets are off.

In this instance NOT being able to customise your ship using in-game credits really strikes me as dumb ... Yeah I know FD need money which is why the majority of stuff should be in the shop but some items in game if anything to demonstrate progress. What's going to be next - I need to pay to get my Elite badge in-game once I attain it ?

Come on mate ...

 

[Sanderson]

It did answer the question. It just made the assumption that we didn't need it spelling out to us that supporting a game long-term requires a source of regular income.

Obviously a LOT of people did need to have it "spelled out". That's why there's so many threads asking questions that could easily be answered with "to make money." I just helped facilitate that need. I can't be blamed for people assuming I disagree with Frontier making money. I do think it's very helpful now that those that needed it "spelled out" have had it so.

I would ask that no one assumes I needed it "spelled out". I understand what a business is and what they do. Again, I was trying to help those that don't.

 

[Sanderson]

Are you telling me a company needs money to pay monthly salaries!!!!

Good thing Michael told us!! I certainly wouldn't have been able to figure that out on my own!!
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This case was closed a loooong time ago...

Some people obviously didn't know did they? Now they do. No need to belittle those that didn't. Don't assume I'm one that did not. Also, Frontier's "honor" is intact so you can stop the attacks.

 

[srmoure]

Ultimately Frontier is a business - you guys have to make money. People will complain regardless.

Usually businesses pay either interest or dividends to fund their development after game is released. In this case FD is not bearing those costs when other businesses have to. So throwing a couple of freebies to the backers instead of interest to banks or dividends to shareholders could be considered cost saving. After game is release I think new buyers should pay for the paint jobs. Backers took a risk to support FD from the beginning. To be fair they should be treated in a different way than post release buyers.
Also I think that alpha backers should be able to purchase everything with in game credits (I'm not one). Those guys paid 4 games . FD instead of milking them , if ED is a big success they should be thinking on ways to thank them. They deserve at least the 30th skin for all the ships !!!
Come on FD, make a lot of money with after release buyers, not with the ones who contributed from the start.
Go and check with finance how much money on interest you"re saving and how much would be the revenue loss for giving freebies to alpha backers.

 

[Mazhurg]

Some people obviously didn't know did they? Now they do. No need to belittle those that didn't. Don't assume I'm one that did not. Also, Frontier's "honor" is intact so you can stop the attacks.

Err... if someone can't realise that businesses need to make money to produce goods and survive, then I really don't know what to say...