My expectation haven’t really changed, being able to land on all planets to catch up to Frontier, and the much publicised in the KickStarter legs. Other items like ship destruction models, further vehicles and a personal base would be nice.
As an LEP owner, what are both your expectations from the game going forward and what you'd hope for it?
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I bought the LEP at Horizons 2.0, so the non-cheap LEP.
Of course disappointed, for anyone who bought it then I can't see how you couldn't be.
The first planetary landings content was incredible at the time, I was utterly gobsmacked, impressed and excited for what was to come, so the LEP looked good.
But PLs completely stalled, it came to a halt and even now is really no further that it was 3.5 years ago.
So from a monetary POV not worth. From the POV of the game's direction, well ED chose not to walk the path that was presented in 2015.
Update coming end of 2020 though so that's promising (if a way off), but I doubt from a pure £ POV will it ever seem good value.
Of course disappointed, for anyone who bought it then I can't see how you couldn't be.
The first planetary landings content was incredible at the time, I was utterly gobsmacked, impressed and excited for what was to come, so the LEP looked good.
But PLs completely stalled, it came to a halt and even now is really no further that it was 3.5 years ago.
So from a monetary POV not worth. From the POV of the game's direction, well ED chose not to walk the path that was presented in 2015.
Update coming end of 2020 though so that's promising (if a way off), but I doubt from a pure £ POV will it ever seem good value.
Not derailing @WR3ND ...
Had I seen the Kickstarter/LEP at the time it was mentioned I would have jumped in with my money up front but at the time I was involved with a huge project and not gaming/following games news. (a busy couple of years) My loss, but I'll keep buying whatever comes out just because I like the game, warts'n'all
Had I seen the Kickstarter/LEP at the time it was mentioned I would have jumped in with my money up front but at the time I was involved with a huge project and not gaming/following games news. (a busy couple of years) My loss, but I'll keep buying whatever comes out just because I like the game, warts'n'all
As someone who entered Elite only in 2017 and so wasn't able to buy a LEP I think my view is quite similar to the LEP owners nonetheless in that I want more updates, even if I have to pay for them. More development for a fantastic game.
I have the opinion the current development/update speed is too slow and I can understand LEP owners feeling a bit ripped.
What I don't want though is more "exclusive" content, it should all be readily available for anyone, just some have to pay like me, and some others shouldn't have to pay (the LEPers)
I have the opinion the current development/update speed is too slow and I can understand LEP owners feeling a bit ripped.
What I don't want though is more "exclusive" content, it should all be readily available for anyone, just some have to pay like me, and some others shouldn't have to pay (the LEPers
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I have the LEP as well, but I was mostly in it for the alpha access - the LEP came as a side bonus. So yeah, in that regard, I've gotten my money's worth back then. If I had purchased the more expensive LEP later on, though, I would have been disappointed. About-yearly expansions were implied, but so far, we've had one.
As for where the game is, in my opinion: I remember hearing about the ten year plan, and it feels like we're in year 2, maybe 3 of that - when we're actually coming up on year 5. The developers have done quite a lot of "branching out", but they only really fleshed out Engineering. But then, the Return was a disappointment, and ever since it, it's like Frontier has mostly stopped trying. They technically delivered what they said they would for the specific updates (except the indefinitely postponed parts of Beyond), but most of the time we got them done as the minimum required, a low effort version that fell below many players' expectations. Certainly below mine. The last update that seemed like a proper one and delivered well was the very first one of Beyond, but there have been problems before that of course. After some time, "let's underpromise and overdeliver" turned into "let's promise and technically deliver".
So now, we're basically told to expect nothing substantial until sometime late in 2020 (at least FD communicating this is good), not told what to expect for then (whoops, there goes the good communication), and even the Interstellar Initiatives so far have been a wash. A good promise, done with bad execution, once again below expectations.
With that, my expectations for the next expansion have been set accordingly. I'd love to see Frontier return to the enthusiasm and good work of the early days, but I don't expect it to happen. If I didn't have an LEP, I'd certainly be cautious about buying the expansion, and likely only buy it when it goes on sale, especially if it really is going to be space legs only. I'm more interested in exploring the galaxy, although I do enjoy combat - but I don't see added FPS gameplay as having much longevity for me.
In this way, I find it actually good that I bought an LEP as part of the package, because if the expansion will turn out to be of the now-usual quality, I won't be losing money on it.
Still, the game is in my opinion the best space sim currently on the market, but that's in part because of having no serious competition, and also because of its good foundations.
As for where the game is, in my opinion: I remember hearing about the ten year plan, and it feels like we're in year 2, maybe 3 of that - when we're actually coming up on year 5. The developers have done quite a lot of "branching out", but they only really fleshed out Engineering. But then, the Return was a disappointment, and ever since it, it's like Frontier has mostly stopped trying. They technically delivered what they said they would for the specific updates (except the indefinitely postponed parts of Beyond), but most of the time we got them done as the minimum required, a low effort version that fell below many players' expectations. Certainly below mine. The last update that seemed like a proper one and delivered well was the very first one of Beyond, but there have been problems before that of course. After some time, "let's underpromise and overdeliver" turned into "let's promise and technically deliver".
So now, we're basically told to expect nothing substantial until sometime late in 2020 (at least FD communicating this is good), not told what to expect for then (whoops, there goes the good communication), and even the Interstellar Initiatives so far have been a wash. A good promise, done with bad execution, once again below expectations.
With that, my expectations for the next expansion have been set accordingly. I'd love to see Frontier return to the enthusiasm and good work of the early days, but I don't expect it to happen. If I didn't have an LEP, I'd certainly be cautious about buying the expansion, and likely only buy it when it goes on sale, especially if it really is going to be space legs only. I'm more interested in exploring the galaxy, although I do enjoy combat - but I don't see added FPS gameplay as having much longevity for me.
In this way, I find it actually good that I bought an LEP as part of the package, because if the expansion will turn out to be of the now-usual quality, I won't be losing money on it.
Still, the game is in my opinion the best space sim currently on the market, but that's in part because of having no serious competition, and also because of its good foundations.
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I just take it as it comes along.
FDev isn't the type of company to build very high personal expectations upon. One can get lucky of course but you just never know what you'll get - and there's often little benefit to join wild speculations.
Some things I think they should look into, just from the top of my head and in no particular order :
- Gameplay on Planets (extending existing Deep Space mechanics onto Planetary Surfaces. Mining missing, Bounty Hunting missing, Conflict Zones missing, Personal Assets/Base-Building missing)
- more Quality layers for Stellar Forge (new Planet/Object types, more SciFi additions, far far more variety of Objects and Surfaces)
- Atmo Planets/Landings
- Space Legs to extend Gameplay into the FPV areas
- completely revamp the MultiPlayer and Networking aspect and flesh it out (something more than just "o7" or PewPew or unstable Wing Ops/MultiCrew)
- Sandbox (current Status : missing almost everywhere, total Script mess that automatically leads to a nearly 100% static, dead Galaxy. The room for improvement is huge)
- Player Agenda (mostly missing, Players a for the most part still passive bystanders in their mobile Prison cells, forced to act like underpaid worker bees despite being multi-billionaires. Doesn't compute. Players need something worth fighting/working/grinding for.)
- C&P (currently : AWOL/non-functional; capital mistake from old times. Needs fixing and very harsh measures after >4 years of unmitigated Anarchy).
- no more MVP design / half-baked / recycled mechanics without or with little only Gameplay value. If it ain't ready - don't release it.
- QA! no more bug-infested Early Access/Alpha Releases. If most obvious bugs from a Beta aren't fixed - don't release it.
- no more "we want/we don't want Players to...." coming from Designers who visibly don't play the game anyway and thus have no experience with it either. Let Players decide how to play, they know best - just hand them the right tools.
- QOL (alot of areas in 3305 are less advanced than the 20th century, a crapton of QOL items that could be realized without breaking anything)
- more variation to everything. Seriously, when's the last time the Game managed to surprise you (unless you're an inexperienced Player)? To me, that's badly missing, everything is so damn predictable, like a digital clock. What point is there to prepare the own Ships for all kinds of possible (or unpossible) outcomes if the Game never tosses any surprises?
FDev isn't the type of company to build very high personal expectations upon. One can get lucky of course but you just never know what you'll get - and there's often little benefit to join wild speculations.
Some things I think they should look into, just from the top of my head and in no particular order :
- Gameplay on Planets (extending existing Deep Space mechanics onto Planetary Surfaces. Mining missing, Bounty Hunting missing, Conflict Zones missing, Personal Assets/Base-Building missing)
- more Quality layers for Stellar Forge (new Planet/Object types, more SciFi additions, far far more variety of Objects and Surfaces)
- Atmo Planets/Landings
- Space Legs to extend Gameplay into the FPV areas
- completely revamp the MultiPlayer and Networking aspect and flesh it out (something more than just "o7" or PewPew or unstable Wing Ops/MultiCrew)
- Sandbox (current Status : missing almost everywhere, total Script mess that automatically leads to a nearly 100% static, dead Galaxy. The room for improvement is huge)
- Player Agenda (mostly missing, Players a for the most part still passive bystanders in their mobile Prison cells, forced to act like underpaid worker bees despite being multi-billionaires. Doesn't compute. Players need something worth fighting/working/grinding for.)
- C&P (currently : AWOL/non-functional; capital mistake from old times. Needs fixing and very harsh measures after >4 years of unmitigated Anarchy).
- no more MVP design / half-baked / recycled mechanics without or with little only Gameplay value. If it ain't ready - don't release it.
- QA! no more bug-infested Early Access/Alpha Releases. If most obvious bugs from a Beta aren't fixed - don't release it.
- no more "we want/we don't want Players to...." coming from Designers who visibly don't play the game anyway and thus have no experience with it either. Let Players decide how to play, they know best - just hand them the right tools.
- QOL (alot of areas in 3305 are less advanced than the 20th century, a crapton of QOL items that could be realized without breaking anything)
- more variation to everything. Seriously, when's the last time the Game managed to surprise you (unless you're an inexperienced Player)? To me, that's badly missing, everything is so damn predictable, like a digital clock. What point is there to prepare the own Ships for all kinds of possible (or unpossible) outcomes if the Game never tosses any surprises?
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I've easily got my money's worth and more x 100.
But it's cool to know whatever's coming next will be free.
Personally I'm more excited by atmospheric worlds than space legs, but that might be because I'm struggling to imagine how space legs would be implemented.
But it's cool to know whatever's coming next will be free.
Personally I'm more excited by atmospheric worlds than space legs, but that might be because I'm struggling to imagine how space legs would be implemented.
I bought in at the Premium Beta stage in mid-2014 with LEP. I'm a very satisfied customer on the whole, while still being disappointed with certain aspects of the game which I'll not dwell on here.
So yes, satisfied but wanting more in the 12 months or so to come. Call me Cmdr Entitled.
So yes, satisfied but wanting more in the 12 months or so to come. Call me Cmdr Entitled.
More is always nice, but i'm fine. FD will add more content for LEP holders over the coming years, at least one more expansion that is certain.
And when its released (and i assume the 2020 update will contain content that is both locked and unlocked) some people will complain that its not enough while others will complain about part of the content being locked away behind a paywall.
My main hope for the big update is they don't do what they did with Engineers, and lock away anything that affects game balance behind a paywall, because that smacks of pay to win.
And when its released (and i assume the 2020 update will contain content that is both locked and unlocked) some people will complain that its not enough while others will complain about part of the content being locked away behind a paywall.
My main hope for the big update is they don't do what they did with Engineers, and lock away anything that affects game balance behind a paywall, because that smacks of pay to win.
I'd love to see systems with Chiron-like objects and other little rocks that are really, really far away from the main star. That would be an awesome addition.
I hope the "classic", planets with atmosphere, fauna and flora.
Out of the game, I find that the LEP owners are not being pampered enough by Frontier.
We should receive goodies, art concepts regularly.
Out of the game, I find that the LEP owners are not being pampered enough by Frontier.
We should receive goodies, art concepts regularly.
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I hope they dont offer you guys anything that they wont also offer to the people who never had the chance to buy it.
I think they should give ya'll a store voucher and dust their hands clean of you, honestly.
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Expect? I expect little at this stage. Its better that way.
I pledged to Founder level via Kickstarter because of David Braben's video of getting out of your cockpit and walking down to the cargo hold and putting out a fire and patching up holes in your hull.
I searched around the Kickstarter pages for evidence we would be able to land on planets like Elite 2: Frontier. The answer was there on the page that we would be able, just not at launch.
But how much do I now expect to be in the game now? Not much.
If space legs happen, I can see it being like the rover and fighter. Teleport to where the content is.
I can't see them mapping out the inside of each ship though, getting all the internals and components correctly placed.
So we might teleport out of the cockpit to outside the ship.
Full atmospheric planets with working oceans, streams, clouds, weather, etc.... nah, I don't think so.
Some planets with atmosphere, maybe.
I pledged to Founder level via Kickstarter because of David Braben's video of getting out of your cockpit and walking down to the cargo hold and putting out a fire and patching up holes in your hull.
I searched around the Kickstarter pages for evidence we would be able to land on planets like Elite 2: Frontier. The answer was there on the page that we would be able, just not at launch.
But how much do I now expect to be in the game now? Not much.
If space legs happen, I can see it being like the rover and fighter. Teleport to where the content is.
I can't see them mapping out the inside of each ship though, getting all the internals and components correctly placed.
So we might teleport out of the cockpit to outside the ship.
Full atmospheric planets with working oceans, streams, clouds, weather, etc.... nah, I don't think so.
Some planets with atmosphere, maybe.
As a LEP owner, I usually stop reading posts that start with "As a LEP owner ...
Lucky me, I'm not a LEP owner!
Expectations only lead to disappointment.
Although I welcome any additional content for the LEP, I have written it off my investment in it some time ago, and just consider it my "payment" to help get the game off the ground. I don't think it will ever really pay its self off given the slow roll out of content.
Have I got my money's worth out of the game, sure have! Have I got my money's worth out of the LEP .. no.
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Although I welcome any additional content for the LEP, I have written it off my investment in it some time ago, and just consider it my "payment" to help get the game off the ground. I don't think it will ever really pay its self off given the slow roll out of content.
Have I got my money's worth out of the game, sure have! Have I got my money's worth out of the LEP .. no.
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Are you sure its just not general uphappiness with the game itself (whatever it may be)?
I used to throw money at the cosmetics, all checks of value out the window, until it was my turn.. to my personal measure frontier did something to the game that genuinely i thought was too bad. It was only at that point i became aware of how much money id spent on it and it went from 'i love frontier' to 'what the hell'.
While frontier are in their rights to work to their schedule, there was an impression of schedule and therefore amount of content around the time LEP's were sold so they should at least extend goodwill for not keeping it.. maybe a monthly credit for ship skins in compensation, something like that.. EDIT: You know.. so as to not act like a stereotypical evil big game publisher....
I used to throw money at the cosmetics, all checks of value out the window, until it was my turn.. to my personal measure frontier did something to the game that genuinely i thought was too bad. It was only at that point i became aware of how much money id spent on it and it went from 'i love frontier' to 'what the hell'.
While frontier are in their rights to work to their schedule, there was an impression of schedule and therefore amount of content around the time LEP's were sold so they should at least extend goodwill for not keeping it.. maybe a monthly credit for ship skins in compensation, something like that.. EDIT: You know.. so as to not act like a stereotypical evil big game publisher....
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