Is powercreep from engineers totally out of control or was that a cheater?
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Sure, but I did not experience any kind of network issues (which is surprising, year and a half ago it was all over the place), the barrage on my shields was constant, if it was: oh wait, they suddenly stopped firing, they must want to be my friend now... Again, sure, it COULD have been network issues, but logs FD can check surely also cover that except if even allowed dmg was dished out?
Thanks, still gathering missions, so can post a bit more lol
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Journal log would be illuminating.
OP can redact the names...
OP can redact the names...
Ran a test with the data you provided.
Target Cutter 2,415MJ Shields 8A Shield Gen, Grade 5 reinforced, 1 0A Shield booster (standard) 1 0A Shield Booster / Heavy Duty 5.
1,500 Hull 1L Lightweight, Two 5D Hull Reinforcements.
Attacking Weapons, Gimbled
2 Large Burst Lasers. Overcharged 5 / Inertial Impact
2 Medium Cannons, Rapid Fire 5 / Oversized
Shields drop in 1:45
Hull drop in 0:29
If they are fixed weapons, same mods
Shields drop in 1:08
Hull drop in 0:15
My thoughts are what happened is likely legit.
Just those simple mods will completely demolish a Cutter with 2 Hull reinforcements once shields drop.
Its very likely the attacker was not using those exact mods, but it seems reasonable to assume the battle took less then a min twenty three seconds.
Target Cutter 2,415MJ Shields 8A Shield Gen, Grade 5 reinforced, 1 0A Shield booster (standard) 1 0A Shield Booster / Heavy Duty 5.
1,500 Hull 1L Lightweight, Two 5D Hull Reinforcements.
Attacking Weapons, Gimbled
2 Large Burst Lasers. Overcharged 5 / Inertial Impact
2 Medium Cannons, Rapid Fire 5 / Oversized
Shields drop in 1:45
Hull drop in 0:29
If they are fixed weapons, same mods
Shields drop in 1:08
Hull drop in 0:15
My thoughts are what happened is likely legit.
Just those simple mods will completely demolish a Cutter with 2 Hull reinforcements once shields drop.
Its very likely the attacker was not using those exact mods, but it seems reasonable to assume the battle took less then a min twenty three seconds.
That is exactly how a sudden network desync looks. Everything is going great, suddenly something goes wrong and your client stops getting info. You think "Cool! The dude is either done with it, fallen asleep or he had to jump away to save his kid/dog/wife from something." Instead, your pc just stopped getting updates for a bit. And when it caught on: boom.
For the record, my Eagle does 70 DPS. A ten second de-sync versus my tiny ship would have you lose your shield and 30% of your hull. And that is versus three small weapons.I'm off, but my advice is to not sweat it. I've seen all kinds of bizarre things, and in pretty much all cases I am absolutely convinced it is just hamsters in some server rather than a nefarious hacker. And if it was a cheater: I'll just smile, pay my insurance and count it as a win because you cant be a bigger loser than cheating in a computer game.
I'm not sweating it, came here to post my poo-flying in the first place. Just not seeing it with the 'allowed' mods. CyaThat is exactly how a sudden network desync looks. Everything is going great, suddenly something goes wrong and your client stops getting info. You think "Cool! The dude is either done with it, fallen asleep or he had to jump away to save his kid/dog/wife from something." Instead, your pc just stopped getting updates for a bit. And when it caught on: boom.
I'm off, but my advice is to not sweat it. I've seen all kinds of bizarre things, and in pretty much all cases I am absolutely convinced it is just hamsters in some server rather than a nefarious hacker. And if it was a cheater: I'll just smile, pay my insurance and count it as a win because you cant be a bigger loser than cheating in a computer game.
Yeah, that didn't last even close to one minute. And fixed lasers don't suddenly drop your shield+hull by crazy amount, but sure, not here to get followers in: I got cheated crusade. Just noone offers really any build that can replicate what I experienced. Gotta go too, cya
I'm gonna be a psychic here real fast. Op rushed asap to buy a cutter. Outside of heavy duty bi weave shields, he's running default. Not realizing that just having the cutter doesn't make him over powered, he thinks just upgrading the shields is enough. Basically, he's flying a paper bag with a giant hit box. I'll bet an average pilot in an engineered Icourier could destroy him. The equivalent of a mostly harmless npc.
That, or he played a ton, and somehow didn't learn a single thing about ship builds.
That, or he played a ton, and somehow didn't learn a single thing about ship builds.
Op rushed to buy that cutter in 2015, played up until 2017, then you go with your psychic powers, cya dood
Btw have you ever flown one? It's not a ship where your turning ability is what can save you if you have 1 minute from first shot to explosion, usually it is the amount of shields and hull that gives you breathing time, if you get your hull blown in 3 salvos, no matter how you fly it you will get blown, but that's not how it used to be (and still isn't judging by any RES conda/cutter, name the mods that rip them in 3 salvos!) and gn
Yeah, frags were the only suggestion so far and seem to return, still doubtful if they can rip through 2.5k shield that quickly, but seems the only possible explanation for the hull incineration (with some netwrok lag on top, as doubt single hit from 2 large/2 mediums can even come close to 60% hull reduction in one salvo)
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
2 large ghimbaled frags, overcharged with incendiary/corrosive and 2 medium efficient plasmas can drop those shields in 38s and hull in 15s
About the same with a setup with full frags, all overcharged.
But for that to happen, the fight must take place very close and the aggressor must hit with all pellets
About the same with a setup with full frags, all overcharged.
But for that to happen, the fight must take place very close and the aggressor must hit with all pellets
Fully engineered large bursts and medium frags look quite capable of doing for a cutter in that sort of timescale, which is long enough to make me seriously doubt that anybody cheated.
This thread would have gone much smoother if you had put your build in one of the shipyard programs and posted it early on reducing all the pages of questions and answers.
What genius reaction to an easy answer. I thought that was what you were looking for.
That's the spirit of not wanting to learn a thing.
A few overcharged frag cannon and something corrosive in the mix will take an unEngineered loadout like that out in a handful of trigger pulls at close range.
How's you pip management?
Those shields won't last long as a passive defense on a ship that big.
When in doubt a report is reasonable, but I am 99% sure that the events of the encounter you've described are easily accounted for without any form of cheating.
However, some semblance of due diligence on the part of the reporter is also reasonable. You should have at least a basic idea of how the game functions before making shaky presumptions.
Coriolis build with a video linked to the OP would have allowed for a reasonable discussion.
Maybe next time eh?
Maybe next time eh?
Yep, but again it all comes down to resistances. If you haven't stacked thermal resist, your shield actually takes MORE than the nominal damage of a thermal weapon (same goes for kinetic against hull).
Welcome to engineers - where people can't tell cheating from WAI anymore.