Which is exactly why I miss TM. Apple really nailed it with that one. Reliable and simple, yet you can do whatever you want. It's not that win 10 is bad, it's just amazing that M$ isn't more invetive, considering their size.
Hardware & Technical Trying to Upgrade From Windows 7 Home Professional To Windows 10 Pro, Odd Issue
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I have both USB 2 and 3. I've been using the USB 2 port specifically due to the possible issue you suggested. I might try the USB 3 port after breakfast. No, the stick doesn't get hot.
I did note a change in drive letters. DVD drive is normally "D". I have the USB port on my printer as drive "G" and other use normally assigns drive "F" to anything plugged into the front ports. Just saw that they're now drive "E" on the front panel. Just changed it back to the way I had them before.
My bios doesn't give you the option of setting up the USB port as a selectable thing all the time, however, you can put the stick in there, boot, go into bios, click "boot" and it'll be one of the things you can click on. I did that and it booted right from the USB stick (I guess it's a one-time thing).
And now we know why I like DVD's.
Will eventually call M$ to check on that but If I gotta download the thing (long time on DSL) I guess I gotta.BTW, I have Roxio CD burner. It does look like it has an option to do an ISO image / burn. Should I try it with a DVD?
Also, something I forgot to mention: "getting updates" took about 1.75 hours. It went up to 80% then jumped right into the process. Should I ignore getting updates until AFTER the upgrade is finished?
UPDATE: When I click "setup" to start this, should I right click on it and "run as administrator"?
Also, something I forgot to mention: "getting updates" took about 1.75 hours. It went up to 80% then jumped right into the process. Should I ignore getting updates until AFTER the upgrade is finished?
UPDATE: When I click "setup" to start this, should I right click on it and "run as administrator"?
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DSL. Not to be disrespectful, but DSL rings the nostalgic bell inside my head. That was a few years after QIC-80.I have both USB 2 and 3. I've been using the USB 2 port specifically due to the possible issue you suggested. I might try the USB 3 port after breakfast. No, the stick doesn't get hot.
I did note a change in drive letters. DVD drive is normally "D". I have the USB port on my printer as drive "G" and other use normally assigns drive "F" to anything plugged into the front ports. Just saw that they're now drive "E" on the front panel. Just changed it back to the way I had them before.
My bios doesn't give you the option of setting up the USB port as a selectable thing all the time, however, you can put the stick in there, boot, go into bios, click "boot" and it'll be one of the things you can click on. I did that and it booted right from the USB stick (I guess it's a one-time thing).
And now we know why I like DVD's.
Still it should be possible to download the installation. A bit is a bit. Here there are just many of them.
You sound as if you've reached the end, so absolutely try the DVD. Sometimes you just need to hit with the hammer from a different angle to make it work.
Installing from DVD takes ages, optical media just don't cut it any more
The BIOS should have a shortcut at bootup to go to a boot device selection (it's F11 for my board) that you press instead of the "enter setup" key, that should give you a selection of valid boot devices.
If your system still boots in "BIOS mode" instead of EFI and the stick is for EFI boot, that may also be an issue, Windows is historically and notoriously bad at switching between those.
The BIOS should have a shortcut at bootup to go to a boot device selection (it's F11 for my board) that you press instead of the "enter setup" key, that should give you a selection of valid boot devices.
If your system still boots in "BIOS mode" instead of EFI and the stick is for EFI boot, that may also be an issue, Windows is historically and notoriously bad at switching between those.
I know about how long DVD's take but storage space for them is nice (very flat) and I have plenty of time to watch (Windows 7 Home Pro didn't take more than 20 minutes). There is a way to boot from the USB but it's a one-off type of thing in the BIOS (go there, select what's all plugged in (it even lists my printer), then just click on the USB thing that says "Windows10" and it worked (but then it hangs on "loading files".Installing from DVD takes ages, optical media just don't cut it any more
If your system still boots in "BIOS mode" instead of EFI and the stick is for EFI boot, that may also be an issue, Windows is historically and notoriously bad at switching between those.
Just saw something that made me ask the question "should I right click on "open" for setup and click "run as administrator"?
No, any application this side of Windows XP that needs admin permissions will ask for them via UAC.
I'm thinking something is wrong with this USB stick. I just tried it again (both with and without "run as administrator" and as soon as I click the license agreement I get "Modern Setup Host Has Stopped Working". I guess this is why I prefer a DVD version; you cannot modify a DVD once it's pressed.
I guess it's going to be a download of the ISO file.
Get two or three 16GB USB3 sticks from a reputable brand, never hurts to have those around.
Yup, it looks like this is a corrupted USB stick I have (you'd think M$ could afford quality stuff, right?). Won't fit on a DVD so it looks like it'll have to be on a USB stick one way or the other. Guess it's off to Office Depot to get a few.
Dual boot win 7 and win 10.
You will find that many games and programs won't play nice on win 10.
I won't be dropping win 7 for many years to come as my older gaming platform.
You will find that many games and programs won't play nice on win 10.
I won't be dropping win 7 for many years to come as my older gaming platform.
USB sticks are not a good medium for long-term storage, they (and SSDs, although at a slower rate) will eventually lose data that's not refreshed. If you've grabbed a box that's been sitting on the shelf for years, it's possible it just started to forget stuff.
You could just write it fresh with the MCT and see if that changes things.
You could just write it fresh with the MCT and see if that changes things.
Just re-tried booting from the USB stick, still got "loading files" but only gets to the "g" in "loading..." now.
This was supposed to be a simple operation.....
I'm with you on that. This is why I've always preferred a "pressed" DVD. I know they're not as fast as a USB drive but they don't go bad as fast. Like floppies, USB's get bit-rot. Every file on this USB is marked May 2018 creation date.
Yup, got the creation tool, downloading the file now, off to Office Depot for a few flash drives.
This was supposed to be a simple operation.....
Update on issue:
Download of the ISO took 6 hours 30 minutes. Installed onto a small flash drive, 8 megs, assigned letter E. There is definitely a difference between the store-bought copy and the downloaded copy. At least now I have a reason there is a problem:
This PC Can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC has hardware that isn't ready for this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
Cause
If you have an external USB device, SD memory card or UFS card attached when installing Windows 10, version 1903, you may get an error message stating "This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10." This is caused by inappropriate drive reassignment during installation.
An external USB device, SD memory card, or UFS card that is attached to the computer can cause an inappropriate drive reassignment on Windows 10-based computers during the installation of the Windows 10, version 1903 update. For this reason, there is an update hold on computers to prevent them from receiving Windows 10, version 1903 if this situation is detected. This generates the error message that is mentioned in the "Symptoms" section if the upgrade is tried again on an affected computer.
Sample scenario
An update to Windows 10, version 1903 is tried on a computer that has a thumb drive inserted into a USB port. Before the update, the thumb drive is mounted in the system as drive G based on the existing drive configuration. However, after the feature update is installed, the device is assigned a different drive letter (for example, drive H).
Note The drive reassignment is not limited to removable drives. Internal hard drives may also be affected.
To safeguard your update experience, we have applied a hold on devices with an external USB device or SD memory card attached from being offered Windows 10, version 1903 until this issue is resolved.
Work around:
To work around this problem, remove all external media, such as USB devices, SD cards, and UFS cards, from your computer. Then, restart installation of the Windows 10, version 1903 feature update. The update should now proceed normally.
If you are using installation media (USB flash drive, DVD, or ISO file) to install Windows 10, copy the files on the installation media to your local drive, and then start the installation from the local drive.
My Brother printer is an MFC-J6920DW which has an SD card reader in it and is normally assigned drive G when I have something plugged into it (either an SD card or a USB flash drive). The TrackIR isn't assigned a drive letter so the printer has to be the issue (I'm guessing).
QUESTION: If I unplug my printer, would this continue without a problem?
EDIT: Unplugging the printer and hitting refresh simply came up with this:
This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC isn't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
Download of the ISO took 6 hours 30 minutes. Installed onto a small flash drive, 8 megs, assigned letter E. There is definitely a difference between the store-bought copy and the downloaded copy. At least now I have a reason there is a problem:
This PC Can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC has hardware that isn't ready for this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
Cause
If you have an external USB device, SD memory card or UFS card attached when installing Windows 10, version 1903, you may get an error message stating "This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10." This is caused by inappropriate drive reassignment during installation.
An external USB device, SD memory card, or UFS card that is attached to the computer can cause an inappropriate drive reassignment on Windows 10-based computers during the installation of the Windows 10, version 1903 update. For this reason, there is an update hold on computers to prevent them from receiving Windows 10, version 1903 if this situation is detected. This generates the error message that is mentioned in the "Symptoms" section if the upgrade is tried again on an affected computer.
Sample scenario
An update to Windows 10, version 1903 is tried on a computer that has a thumb drive inserted into a USB port. Before the update, the thumb drive is mounted in the system as drive G based on the existing drive configuration. However, after the feature update is installed, the device is assigned a different drive letter (for example, drive H).
Note The drive reassignment is not limited to removable drives. Internal hard drives may also be affected.
To safeguard your update experience, we have applied a hold on devices with an external USB device or SD memory card attached from being offered Windows 10, version 1903 until this issue is resolved.
Work around:
To work around this problem, remove all external media, such as USB devices, SD cards, and UFS cards, from your computer. Then, restart installation of the Windows 10, version 1903 feature update. The update should now proceed normally.
If you are using installation media (USB flash drive, DVD, or ISO file) to install Windows 10, copy the files on the installation media to your local drive, and then start the installation from the local drive.
My Brother printer is an MFC-J6920DW which has an SD card reader in it and is normally assigned drive G when I have something plugged into it (either an SD card or a USB flash drive). The TrackIR isn't assigned a drive letter so the printer has to be the issue (I'm guessing).
QUESTION: If I unplug my printer, would this continue without a problem?
EDIT: Unplugging the printer and hitting refresh simply came up with this:
This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC isn't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
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LATEST UPDATE: Getting nowhere fast. Disconnected printer, copied the flash drive to the hard drive in it's own folder and ran it from there - only two drives: C and D (DVD drive). Still getting a failure.
This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC isn't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
Honestly I have never had such a difficult time trying to upgrade an operating system before, and I've gone from DOS 3.3, 5.0, 6.22, Win 3.11, Win 98SE, XP and now Win7, though all of those were clean installs. Again, this is trying to start it when Win 7 is running already. Not sure if it's the motherboard (Asus Z87-Pro) or the video card (GTX 970). FYI, Intel I-5 quad core and 16 gigs 2600 mhz.
http://http://eldorf.tripod.com/newpc/
Not sure where to go now. I guess try to boot from the flash drive again.
FINAL UPDATE: Well, we know I can boot from the flash drive (and that didn't work before with the store-bought copy) so we're getting somewhere. Bad news is that when I selected "upgrade and keep files" it said that wasn't an option. That means a clean installation is the only option I'm going to have here. Not sure why M$ doesn't like me all that much but there it is.
I'll be working the next 4 nights so I guess that major project happens four nights from now. Thanks for the assistance and suggestions guys. It's still nice to have a sounding board when something like this happens.
This PC can't be upgraded to Windows 10.
Your PC isn't supported yet on this version of Windows 10. No action is needed. Windows Update will offer this version of Windows 10 automatically once the issue has been resolved.
Honestly I have never had such a difficult time trying to upgrade an operating system before, and I've gone from DOS 3.3, 5.0, 6.22, Win 3.11, Win 98SE, XP and now Win7, though all of those were clean installs. Again, this is trying to start it when Win 7 is running already. Not sure if it's the motherboard (Asus Z87-Pro) or the video card (GTX 970). FYI, Intel I-5 quad core and 16 gigs 2600 mhz.
http://http://eldorf.tripod.com/newpc/
Not sure where to go now. I guess try to boot from the flash drive again.
FINAL UPDATE: Well, we know I can boot from the flash drive (and that didn't work before with the store-bought copy) so we're getting somewhere. Bad news is that when I selected "upgrade and keep files" it said that wasn't an option. That means a clean installation is the only option I'm going to have here. Not sure why M$ doesn't like me all that much but there it is.
I'll be working the next 4 nights so I guess that major project happens four nights from now. Thanks for the assistance and suggestions guys. It's still nice to have a sounding board when something like this happens.
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Oh right, that ol' chestnut of Windows still clinging to drive letters.
Did you try the suggestion in the last paragraph and just copy the content of the installation medium to a local drive and install from there?
Did you try the suggestion in the last paragraph and just copy the content of the installation medium to a local drive and install from there?
Use the media creation tool to make a new W10 image that you can burn to disc.
Yes run as admin if your not already
Yeah, and it seemed to be a logical problem, made sense (now that the downloaded version was finally telling me why it was failing).
Yup, pulled the USB cable out of the printer, rebooted, PC still says that I have a printer but it's off-line. Same failure issue (because of the drive letter issue). Keep in mind that normally you'd be upgrading from the flash drive (which in this case was now drive E since the DVD drive is drive D) so the probability of mixing drive letters was pretty much nil, yet, it's still not proceeding.
Lastly, copied the contents of the flash drive to a directory on the HD, pulled the flash drive out (now showing two drives - C and D) and it STILL has an issue.
One thing I forgot to mention: The most FRUSTRATING part of this attempted upgrade was the fact that it had to "download upgrades" (taking up to 30-45 minutes) each time before it finally said "Can't do this, sorry." If it's going to have a problem with things being connected, etc, it would have been nice it if said that after "CHECKING YOUR PC" (before it goes for updates).
At that point, as a last-ditch effort to make this go through, I put the flash drive back in, restarted, got into the BIOS, selected the flash drive to boot from, and this time it booted successfully (unlike the store-bought drive just hanging at "loading files"). It still asked me if I wanted to wipe the drive and start fresh or if I wanted to keep programs and files and just upgrade the OS. I clicked on the option to just upgrade the OS - after a few seconds it comes back saying, "Nope, sorry, not happening, not on this PC. You're going to simply have to wipe the PC and start fresh."
At that point, I decided to give up on the 'gentle' way of upgrading. I'm under the impression that it doesn't even want the DVD player in there (i.e., it wants the flash drive to be "D" and nothing else should be in there). Pulling the connector on the DVD drive was a bit much (it would mean pulling the computer out of it's spot, taking the side cover off, pulling the SATA cable, do the upgrade, reconnect the SATA cable. Still not sure if it would work or not but I'm not willing to go through that much excitement.
Actually, wanted to use the DVD drive in the first place. It says there's not enough room on the DVD drive to store all of the installation (I need "dual layer burning" as an option to do that and (1) I don't have that software and (2) I don't have a dual-layer DVD disk in my inventory. Really wanted to have this on DVD myself anyway as all programs I have here are on disk, nice and flat, store easily, labeled, etc. Now I have an OS on a flash drive which is too small to put a label on.
BTW, I did try it once as Admin, no effect, still fails with those same error messages.
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You could see if there's an update for your bios it might improve USB booting.
I'm not going to try and teach you how to do a virtual disk on a message board lol
I'm not going to try and teach you how to do a virtual disk on a message board lol