exactly this
Ship Scale Problem
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exactly this
admit this is my thought to some extend as well.
That's another point of the scale problem.
Big ships should be managed by a team of people. When I see a ship like the Cutter and thinking that you can fly that being completely alone on board is just too weird.
Plus, there is no artificial gravity in ED, would you need extra space for floating about?
admit but this could be explained by future (sci-fi) automation breakthroughs
The Anaconda bridge comparison to the plane cockpit is problematic because, well, one's a bridge, and one's a cockpit.
Take a look at the bridge on any of the Enterprises: they're huge. No one's comparing that to the cramped two-person cockpit in a jumbo jet and saying "the scale is off!"
I'm not saying the point isn't valid, just that the comparison isn't right. There are other ships in Elite that have more of a cockpit than a bridge:
Python, Cobra, Sidewinder, iCourier... for example.
Compare it to them instead. The Anaconda's bridge isn't too big as a cockpit, because it's not a cockpit.
Take a look at the bridge on any of the Enterprises: they're huge. No one's comparing that to the cramped two-person cockpit in a jumbo jet and saying "the scale is off!"
I'm not saying the point isn't valid, just that the comparison isn't right. There are other ships in Elite that have more of a cockpit than a bridge:
Python, Cobra, Sidewinder, iCourier... for example.
Compare it to them instead. The Anaconda's bridge isn't too big as a cockpit, because it's not a cockpit.
exactly this....again
Definitely needs a Captain's chair right in the middle towards the back.
When they sort out Muliticrew with NPCs it will be a hive of activity - those chairs should be full in a couple of years time. Also other random crew members walking about checking screens... you will be glad you had all that room!
NOTE: None of this has been revealed by Fdev and may include some speculation
Hard to say. From the games, it is not obvious if there is artificial gravity or not. And when it comes to Elite/Elite Dangerous novels, some of those novels mentions artificial gravity and some not.
ED has spin gravity (stations, Imp cap ship rings) but nothing human has the means to make it artificially.
yeah in Elite the gravity is caused by centrifugal force hence why all stations spin and why as Rubbernuke said the Imperial capital ships spinning habitation ring
I have always felt the scale was way off, the cockpits viewed from the outside are honestly way too big in comparison, not only that but the player model is way to big to be a normal sized human. Some ships get the scale right better then others but by going with the scale we have, I dont even think some of the largest ships in the game would have much room to walk around in, should space legs ever come.
Also, I can see some windows on the side of the anaconda that appear to be windows along the side of a long corridor. It looks like there are doors on the far side of the corridor, and if you were to compare the size of that corridor against the windows and player model in the cockpit, you wouldn't be walking down that corridor, youd be crawling though it like a airduct.
As for me, I just have role play my ship as a TARDIS, for now
Also, I can see some windows on the side of the anaconda that appear to be windows along the side of a long corridor. It looks like there are doors on the far side of the corridor, and if you were to compare the size of that corridor against the windows and player model in the cockpit, you wouldn't be walking down that corridor, youd be crawling though it like a airduct.
As for me, I just have role play my ship as a TARDIS, for now
It's entirely possible that the majority of the Anaconda isn't pressurised, so it is actually mostly vacuum which might explain the low density; if it isn't pressurised and is instead mostly open then it would be fine in even thick atmospheres.
I also find that the assumption that modules have the density of water to be quite inaccurate, as there are some commodities that we can take on board that are notably less dense than water. In particular, hydrogen fuel is almost universally available yet cheaper than such basics as water and mineral oil, so it can only be assumed that it is pretty much just hydrogen rather than some kind of exotic hydrogen-adsorbing/absorbing compound. Liquid hydrogen has a density of 0.07 tonnes per cubic meter, or about 14 cubic metres per tonne. A fully tanked up Anaconda has 470 tonnes of optional fuel tank capacity, which means it has to reserve about 6750 cubic metres of internal space just to the optional internals. While it doesn't account for the full internal volume of an Anaconda (which is just over 100,000 cubic metres), it does show that internals are a lot bigger than people think. If we were to assume that the other equipment modules have about the same density, it also means that the Anaconda's sensors would have a volume of 2285 cubic metres, or greater than the entire volume of the Adder. The Cutter, meanwhile, is using about 10% of its internal volume for its optional module payload.
While I don't mind the Anaconda's weird hull mass itself, it does irk me that it is somehow lighter, cheaper and stronger than comparable ships. I could see it being lighter if it was some kind of super-premium prototype design/material that saves weight, but it's a bargain-bin centuries old design that is more of a piece of brutalist-era archeology rather than a modern bit of kit. Alternatively, if it were flimsy enough to represent little more than a hollow shell with some modular racking that can be filled out then it would make sense, but instead we are left with something that is somehow 50% more durable than the Corvette's double-mass hull that is heavily reinforced with proprietary composites.
I don't know of anyone assuming modules have the density of water, but a canister has a peak internal volume of about 1.5 cubic meters and hydrogen fuel is clearly not liquid hydrogen.
Liquid hydrogen is one of the least volumetrically efficient ways to store hydrogen as there are plenty of compounds that contain more hydrogen than pure liquid hydrogen per unit of volume, and are much easier to store.
This has come up plenty of times before and the most rational explanation for the a real-world material that would constitute Elite's 'hydrogen fuel', given their one-ton peak mass and 1.5 cubic meter peak internal volume, would be lithium borohydride. Almost exactly a ton of it will fit in a canister, and it's 14% hydrogen by mass, which means a can of LiBH4 has at least twice as much hydrogen in it as a can of liquid hydrogen (and probably more as it needs no pressurization nor refrigeration).
A canister can fit in ~2 cubic meters. Even if we leave a wide margin for space that could not be part of net storage capacity, an Anaconda would require no more than ~1200 cubic meters for all of it's possible optional modules. If the core modules follow a similar pattern, everything in the entire ship that is not an intregral part of the hull would only require a peak of about 4000 cubic meters at the high end. Even if the hull is mostly a huge whipple shield, having it enclose a volume of 100k cubic meters is absurd.
Economically, having it be something like lithium borohydride is almost impossible though, as even just lithium is more expensive than hydrogen fuel by an order of magnitude. Even plain water is 4-5x more expensive than hydrogen fuel.
There's also the issue that we can scoop it from stars without needing any kind of additional binder. Fuel tanks can't have it built in to use in reversible processes as they are massless themselves. This means that everything in fuel has to be easily obtained from a wide variety of different star corona's, which pretty much limits fuel to some kind of hydrogen/helium mix.
Other than relatively pure hydrogen, what else would be both incredibly abundant across the entire galaxy (remember, 1/5th the price of water and about 1/7th the price of mineral oil) as well as being readily available from a wide variety of main-sequence stars?
Played Vr since day one and only in Vr since.
Anaconda is the greatest ship in the game to me. Sitting in the Anaconda does seem off . The nose dont feel like it's big or even long for that matter. When I get out and in the srv it's better and I can enjoy the size. But in my opinion and thousands of hours playing the scale dont seem right to me and that goes for everything. It's a bit small.
Anaconda is the greatest ship in the game to me. Sitting in the Anaconda does seem off . The nose dont feel like it's big or even long for that matter. When I get out and in the srv it's better and I can enjoy the size. But in my opinion and thousands of hours playing the scale dont seem right to me and that goes for everything. It's a bit small.
the Anaconda and Corvette are both similar size for cockpits and ship size. And I know for a fact its way off scale cause a boeing 747 is a 3 man crew in the cockpit most warships of navies in the real world have a fair handful of officers on bridge. The anaconda and corvette should in theory hold close to 20 people on the bridge