Let me buy the Cobra MK IV please.

[Captain Willard]

A picture of a space ship of how many is brain washing people to buy the game. Grasping at straw there old friend.
I liked leisure suit larry. Such a cool leisure suit, in so many colors.

 

[myothershipisacobraiv]

A picture of a space ship of how many is brain washing people to buy the game. Grasping at straw there old friend.
I liked leisure suit larry. Such a cool leisure suit, in so many colors.

And yet everyone who plays this game now gets the surprise.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

It was an exclusive release.
How hard can that be to understand?
Evidently it's to hard for some to figure it out or look it up in a dictionary.

Who doesn't understand this?

No, everyone knows it's exclusive, and what exclusive means.
What some people don't seem to understand is that this amounts to a change request - effectively a request for Frontier to change the status of the ship from exclusive to non-exclusive.

Whether Frontier ever end up approving the request and implementing it, no one can say definitively, but the main item of discussion here, and the only one really worth having at all, is whether it should be made available to the rest of the player base or not.

 

[metatheurgist]

How hard is it to understand that Frontier are using this 'exclusive' release to sell the game to new players - and do not make clear it is supposedly 'exclusive'?

OK. So the answer is for ED to update their webpage. Not to break their commitments. Done! Are you reading FD?

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I have blankets, and a crate, to cower in my safe place aboard Edsel, my Cobra 4.

It is very useful for that, with HRP's and module reinforcements...

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

I have blankets, and a crate, to cower in my safe place aboard Edsel, my Cobra 4.

It is very useful for that, with HRP's and module reinforcements...

That's the consequence of FDevs "add module"-problem solving combined with the way module slots work.
The Cobra MK IV was intended to be a bit better at cargo hauling, but without the advantages of large module slots, the solution was to add a lot of "small" slots.
And then FDev decided to add defensive module upon defensive module while trying to fix something that should have been fixed by a nerf.
As a cherry on top FDev decided to add 2 module slots to compensate for the new and cool semi-auto-pilot stuff.

How many internal slots does the Cobra MKIV now have? 10? 11? Completely bizarre.

 

[sewerratuk]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you meant to say "is not the same as a written legally binding contract".

Firstly, I wasn't responding to an argument that a legal obligation should be fulfilled. I was responding to an argument of the general principle that a promise should be kept, so I wasn't equating a promise to mug old ladies with a legally binding contract.

As for Braben's promise being a legally binding contract, I don't have the expertise to make that assessment, and as far as I'm aware, no one qualified to do so has made any definitive statement either that it's legally binding, or that there's no legal abrogation for it.

There is a phrase that gets used regularly on this forum, straw man.
You should look it up, it fits in quite well

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

How many internal slots does the Cobra MKIV now have? 10? 11? Completely bizarre.

10. I love it to pieces. The only other extraordinary small ship is probably the dolphin, after the slot restrictions removed and the buffs it sneaks in at 9. But a crap cockpit and boost noise subjectively so meh.

It can have the same utility as large ships and is best in class multipurpose over a wide range.

Also I called mine Elise, after my toddler son's cousin Its small...

My awesome type-10 has 10 slots also.. keeps good company Cutter also has 10 slots (if 2 of them are size 8).

 

[Siobhan]

Siobhan, I would love to. I am on PS4. What time are you on?

Never on a PS4 sorry, I can't afford one.

 

[zimms]

With every page of this thread the customers' entitlement grows. Apparently I'm not a customer, because I think honesty and being trustworthy does mean something.

But hey, if a company can squeeze out some more bucks by lying, then it's a no-brainer, right?

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

With every page of this thread the customers' entitlement grows. Apparently I'm not a customer, because I think honesty and being trustworthy does mean something.

But hey, if a company can squeeze out some more bucks by lying, then it's a no-brainer, right?

No, you fully qualify as a customer. You just have a differing opinion - one in which perceived virtues are valued conceptually rather than by the impact of adherence to them.

Others measure by the resultant effect. In this instance, adherence to the general interpretation of trustworthiness results in deprivation of a majority, not to protect a diminishing minority’s access to an item, but to protect the exclusivity of it.

In terms of trustworthiness, or trusting the company, the question is, trusting them to do what? To keep their word no matter what the result? I’d rather trust them to make decisions that have a greater positive impact for more of their customers, rather than stick to a decision which prevents that positive impact.

Is it entitlement to reason on that basis? I don’t believe so, but then I don’t really care if it is.

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

There is a phrase that gets used regularly on this forum, straw man.
You should look it up, it fits in quite well

Are you saying I’m strawmanning or Arry is? I think you’re referring to Arry arguing about false equivalence to a legally binding contract when I was referring to a statement about a promise in a non-legal sense, in which case I believe it was a genuine misunderstanding.

 

[zimms]

In terms of trustworthiness, or trusting the company, the question is, trusting them to do what? To keep their word no matter what the result? I’d rather trust them to make decisions that have a greater positive impact for more of their customers, rather than stick to a decision which prevents that positive impact.

You keep making it sound like an exclusive item is a crime against humanity.

 

[GAL]

What? Cobra Mk IV?
Go on race!
Races in space and on planets. - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/races-in-space-and-on-planets.518509/

 

[VR CMDR Novindus]

You keep making it sound like an exclusive item is a crime against humanity.

That’s an exaggerated personal impression you’ve superimposed over the stated arguments.

I’ve framed the situation in straightforward terms of the overall impact of Frontier deciding to maintain or revoke the exclusivity, and I’ve never exceeded the assessment that the result will either be continued discontent exhibited through more threads requesting the exclusivity be revoked if Frontier maintains it, or a positive impact for the majority of the player base if they reverse their years old decision. No allegations of crimes against humanity included.

 

[Northpin]

Next year is another DLC release year. So they can offer the C4 again as exclusive for early adopters

And in the mean time they should remove if from the site / ship catalog (and also give it as a gift to any newcomer that purchased ED while the ship was advertised on the site without any mentions that it was not available in the game)

 

[CMDR_Halceon]

When these threads come up, I periodically like to add my vote for small ship with number of slots equal to the Cobra Mark IV, regardless of the question of exclusivity.

Until we can get visible crew, I find that I like small ships best, and I like the idea of a small ship that can interact (perhaps poorly) with as much of the game as possible without a refit. That fits my vision of a wandering jack of all trades. Until modules and limpets are changed, that means I'm greedy for as many small slots as possible.

 

[Misty_Dark]

It's too late. How many people have purchased the game while this content has been used on their website as part of the sales pitch? Like another person said earlier, all new players buying the game quickly discover after purchase that the Cobra MKIV that was listed as one of the in-game available ships are soon shocked to discover they cannot buy the game. This is why, in this and other threads, I suggest such players lodge a complaint to try and obtain access to this ship.

This is bad strawman argument. Because who would buy this game solely on the availability of single ONE small ship? These should be easily counted. the rest of the players would pick just about any other ship available

Choose from over 30 ships and customise your craft with hundreds of modular components to complement your play style in a game where your ship and your skills are all that stands between you and the galaxy’s countless dangers.

One thing I agree is that FDev should be more visible on the Cobra Mk IV page that it is not available to all players to fly.
You seems to be mixing things up. As far I as I know, there have not been any instances of players that have been unable to buy the game, regardless of the status of the Cobra Mk IV... so there should be no reason to complain about any problems buying the game because of the of the availability status of one single small ship.


FDev mesed up on this ship and I am sure they are very well aware about this, supporting fact is that we have not seen any other ship in the same situation... And regardless, whatever FDev do in this case, they are always going to be blamed for it.... what would you think would happen if FDev started to give out the Cobra Mk IV to "new" players? Do you really think all those jerks that think exclusives are good, because they have it, would be silent? and if we would compare to court case, I think the group that would claim the exclusivity would have the strongest case.... over the group that want it available to everyone, or atleast available to them.

 

[Arry]

This is bad strawman argument. Because who would buy this game solely on the availability of single ONE small ship? These should be easily counted. the rest of the players would pick just about any other ship available


One thing I agree is that FDev should be more visible on the Cobra Mk IV page that it is not available to all players to fly.
You seems to be mixing things up. As far I as I know, there have not been any instances of players that have been unable to buy the game, regardless of the status of the Cobra Mk IV... so there should be no reason to complain about any problems buying the game because of the of the availability status of one single small ship.


FDev mesed up on this ship and I am sure they are very well aware about this, supporting fact is that we have not seen any other ship in the same situation... And regardless, whatever FDev do in this case, they are always going to be blamed for it.... what would you think would happen if FDev started to give out the Cobra Mk IV to "new" players? Do you really think all those jerks that think exclusives are good, because they have it, would be silent? and if we would compare to court case, I think the group that would claim the exclusivity would have the strongest case.... over the group that want it available to everyone, or atleast available to them.

Yep, everything was fine, until the word, jerks, was typed.

Seeing a free Cobra, sort of swung it for me, to fork out £120 for the LEP. But as I have said many times, I thought it would be free in the game and remember, we had no idea, how much it would cost in the game. Not an exclusive.

As you said. F.D. really messed this one up.

As I have said before: It is the constant and consistent player blaming for the situation, has swung it for me to agree, that it should remain exclusive.

 

[Misty_Dark]

Yep, everything was fine, until the word, jerks, was typed.

Seeing a free Cobra, sort of swung it for me, to fork out £120 for the LEP. But as I have said many times, I thought it would be free in the game and remember, we had no idea, how much it would cost in the game. Not an exclusive.

As you said. F.D. really messed this one up.

As I have said before: It is the constant and consistent player blaming for the situation, has swung it for me to agree, that it should remain exclusive.

I have access to the ship, and I and many others have no problem in making it free, I do not like this kind of exclusives, but I do also know about people that would "never" agree to let go of the exclusiveness, some out of spite (these are my jerks), and some because they they believe a promise is a promise, and there is very little we can do come to an agreement with both of these groups people to change things.

I believe that they should have done something different, time limited exclusivity is the obvious thing, like 6 months, and then anyone can buy the ship, but we had it for 6 months... now this would not matter a single bit... then they could have done something interresting, like giving us the option to start over in a Cobra Mk IV as a starter ship. that would be unique, and would not limit this ship from anyone, and I would guess that most players would not use this option, as reseting their game save would be to much work, when you think about unlocking engineers, ranking up etc, etc. But it would not be a game breaking thing. Oh well, we can dream they did things differently.