I like flying spaceships! \o/
I think we owe an apology to FD including my self.
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Which they have done.
Have you ever tried the screeching abuse and threats approach in person, and if so how did it work out ?.
Stop having fun, you are supposed to be furious or something.
I am furiously having fun
You're flogging a dead strawman.
I said that, if we take things at face-value, I tend to sympathise with the customer who hasn't received the productor service that they paid for.
That is all.
If there's anything about that statement that you disagree with, try responding without adding stuff that I didn't write.
I'm making direct references to the content of the article you were so offended about.
Yea, well you know how the young people are. They think everything was invented by them and history doesn't go beyond the year 2000.
I'd like to use that as a quote.
In response to a completely unrelated post directed at somebody else, about a different subject.
A trifecta of fail on your part.
In response to a completely unrelated post directed at somebody else, about a different subject.
A trifecta of fail on your part.
Same thread same subject.
This article is worth reading if you ever wondered why the devs don't talk to us.
The topic every game dev is talking about behind closed doors : The cost of doing business
Content warning : I’ve embedded some tweets to various developers that show the sorts of comments that they receive every day. There’s some…medium.com
That's an interesting article, from many angles. But it is no way related to why Frontier Devs don not talk to us.
Here's my angle on it;
Firstly it is important to understand the process in a dev company, not just gaming.
Developer's in the main, have a job schedule and portion or area of expertise on a project. In Elite that may be Flight Model, Planetary Bodies, others in Graphics etc. BY and large, they all work to a schedule and plan provided to them by their managers.
it is simply inane to attack a developer for the product of the company. The blame if any, lies elsewhere. And again, the 'blame' can be attributed to various other corners. Maybe money is tight so the budget is squeezed. Which necessitates the reduction of the planned work. Thinks like this can relate directly on the product produced.
They have nothing to do with Developers. In relation to the article, I think the guy was a whiny millenial, brokering that all the blame was on the consumer. When in fact, the problem is right on the doorstep of the publishing house. If he is the owner, publisher then yes, he is to blame. But, that in no way allows that personal public savagery should be accepted. The company must accept responsibility for selling a vision, and delivery a cheap knockoff.
It is the fault of the company to raise expectations with a view to narrowing those expectations at a future date. This is done to raise interest and indeed capital. The problem for the average player, is that in todays software market, especially in the games industry, some players will protect the publisher voraciously regardless of the actual reasoning. This then leads to bitterness and lines being drawn, which then ends up in the forums, and then the people whose job it is to 'sell the vapour' can't do it anymore because of the threats and the angst. I call these people 'talking heads'. Their job is to go on forums, live streams, articles and other outlets and sell a perceived view of the current state of affairs. Some players buy into it and actually expect that to happen and be delivered. Long ago I learned to ignore the 'talking heads'.
What does annoy me the company practice. Shoddy releases, blatant lack of testing and quality control. These issues are not the fault of the developer, they can be lain directly at the feet of the Directors.
if that's what you're taking away from a training course in 'agile development' then you need new instructors. Consumer visa vie company have nothing to do with 'Agile' Agile is a framework/methodology on how to get something done, whether it be build a house of a CRM.
Consumer satisfaction is based on what you deliver. If you sell me a piece of software, I care little about what language was used, whether you used agile or not, and indeed, I don't care about 'why' you failed to deliver. All I care about is if you delivered or not.
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If you could sneak in “Bafta nominated” into your statement,it might go some way towards being in touch with realityI think as a standalone product, Elite is graphically amazing.
Measured against a kickstarter which we the consumer paid, it is a manure pile and they should apologise to us.
The design is amateur at best.
The implementation, disjointed, buggy, devoid of imagination and creativity and worse, lacks quality.
But, yes as a standalone VR title, it is graphically astounding. Maybe the rest is coming [soon]
I won't pay a subscription model, nope. Multicrew works fine most of the time I use it and yes it needs more features which I guess will come with some implementation of space legs perhaps.
I went to one of the Start Citzen Con events in 2015 in Germany and they were talking about close to release back then! Says it all.
If you could sneak in “Bafta nominated” into your statement,it might go some way towards being in touch with reality
Nominated... but failed. Ok..
That claim is like me saying I was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
An appraisal for what they've done right definitely, and that's pretty much but an apology for criticizing their goof-ups nope.
I never revert to personal attack or smear the devs and call them all sorts of things, I just vent my dislikes, strongly at times, imho I don't have to apologize for that.
ED is still the best space game out there, that doesn't mean however that it's without flaws, the players are there to point out those flaws.
I never revert to personal attack or smear the devs and call them all sorts of things, I just vent my dislikes, strongly at times, imho I don't have to apologize for that.
ED is still the best space game out there, that doesn't mean however that it's without flaws, the players are there to point out those flaws.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t for best manure pile of 2018
In my comment I said that if FD did not intend to support these features (and they have not in any significant way) they should have prevented them being implemented before inclusion into the game. There is no point including such a complex feature like PP if you have no intention of supporting and augmenting it.
Notice there was no apology from FD about the server balls up on Thursday either.