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Why are there no Marine Mammals Included? Penguins? Sea Lions? Otters?
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Giant pandas have been confirmed (sort of). Some people found them mentioned in the game files. So yay, at least we'll get those.
we better get sea lions.
i love seals, an they are in almost every zoo, or at least every zoo ive gone to.
and penguins, i think things like penguins and polar bears will be in release, they have polar type map, so we would need more cold-adapted animals.
one thing im really hoping for though, is ducks xD
i really want ducks in my game with little feeding stations you can put around for guests to feed them.
i love seals, an they are in almost every zoo, or at least every zoo ive gone to.
and penguins, i think things like penguins and polar bears will be in release, they have polar type map, so we would need more cold-adapted animals.
one thing im really hoping for though, is ducks xD
i really want ducks in my game with little feeding stations you can put around for guests to feed them.
To be entirely honest I don't think they've put too many resources into aquatic behavior yet at all. For instance, even hippos and crocodiles don't even seem to go underwater. I think it's for two reasons:
1. The animation and coding teams are probably pretty swamped just trying to get everything right on the animals they already have (including those not present in the beta).
2. There is a very, very, very good chance they will release an aquatic animals DLC. Dolphins, killer whales, porpoises, sea lions, otters, etc will all probably make a debut in this, rather than in the base game. I'm sure there will be other themed DLC like this, and to be honest I wouldn't even be surprised if they went the zoo tycoon route and added dinos and mythical creatures lol.
1. The animation and coding teams are probably pretty swamped just trying to get everything right on the animals they already have (including those not present in the beta).
2. There is a very, very, very good chance they will release an aquatic animals DLC. Dolphins, killer whales, porpoises, sea lions, otters, etc will all probably make a debut in this, rather than in the base game. I'm sure there will be other themed DLC like this, and to be honest I wouldn't even be surprised if they went the zoo tycoon route and added dinos and mythical creatures lol.
my hippos are forever underwater an only rarely go to the surface.
they like to walk along the bottom of the water, just as real hippos do.
as for gharials , ive seen mine go under water a few times when watching the young ones.
so the underwater mechanics are there...
to be honest, these are literally the only two water creatures we have to base things off, an most of the behavior mechanics are turned off for beta.
so its hard to say if new coding would be needed or not...
im not saying i want them to make a new animal now, but i hope we do get some more water based animals at release, as they haven't confirmed every animal to be in release yet.
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Didn't you already post almost the exact same thing in a different thread...?
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Also you clearly don't understand what goes into making an animal game model if you think there's "still time" to add them, 1 month before release.
First you have to make the model (3, unique for male, female, and child), then sculpt it digitally, texture it, rig it, animate it, and finally program it. All that can take months for just 1 animal. Besides we're more than spoiled with the 50+ we're being given in the base game.
Ideas Before Full Game Release: Carnival stalls, Marine mammals, More animals, etc..
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Also you clearly don't understand what goes into making an animal game model if you think there's "still time" to add them, 1 month before release.
First you have to make the model (3, unique for male, female, and child), then sculpt it digitally, texture it, rig it, animate it, and finally program it. All that can take months for just 1 animal. Besides we're more than spoiled with the 50+ we're being given in the base game.
Sorry. But marine mammals won’t in the base game, and they will be in DLC (if we get them) like mentioned, these things take time? I don’t know where I saw it but there was a video they released that said it takes a couple weeks or up to a month to finish an animal model.
As for not buying extras, companies make DLC because they are a company, they have to live and pay the employees too?
As for mode coding and animations, of course they would be needed, Dolphins and whales and fish don’t move the same way hippos do.
Don’t think frontier has any plans at all to add Dinos or mythical creatures. They’ve stated over and over and over that this is not the focus of planet zoo.
As for not buying extras, companies make DLC because they are a company, they have to live and pay the employees too?
As for mode coding and animations, of course they would be needed, Dolphins and whales and fish don’t move the same way hippos do.
Don’t think frontier has any plans at all to add Dinos or mythical creatures. They’ve stated over and over and over that this is not the focus of planet zoo.
Since I have a feeling they have big planings for years to come for Planet Zoo, you need to realise something they need to leave for notorious DLC's later. I mean yes I know it sucks and there will be a lot of people who will consider game as unfinished project if there are no fishes, birds, sea lions, penguins, kangaroos or jaguars at launch but it is how it is, modern game era with support after release, but price one.
That's because hippos can't swim that well.
i know
but HipsterJesus42
said ''even hippos and crocodiles don't even seem to go underwater'' so i was making a point that they actually do.
you just need to watch them long enough.
honestly i dont mind if many water animals are not in base game, i just hope we have more than 3 (i know the gharial, hippo and salty, but dont think we have others?) because i really like how they interact with both land and water.
though, i can say ill be buying EVERY DLC they make.
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I've only briefly had hippos and my gharial exhibit has a low water level, so my testimony is not much to go off of. Regardless there can still be a point made that they don't really have elaborate swimming animations like you'd need for creatures that are solely aquatic. I've tried animating a dolphin before and let me tell you it's nothing like most other creatures lol. The same applies to penguins and birds (also a completely different way of animating them, and I suspect they may even get their own dlc with aviaries), so I am really curious to see if they come out with them come November.
I agree.
But then again. I'm not developing the game, so I leave this with the devs.
But I'd do love to have marine animals like sea lions, penguins & other small marine life.
And yes! Otters please!
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I definitely agree with you both here. I would love for them to add more water-focused mammals (particularly otters, seals, sea lions, puffins, polar bears, crocodiles, alligators, maybe walruses). I'd also like to see some additional reptiles and water-focused birds. It would also be cool to see "live" fish enrichment items for these animals or fish you could add to exhibits just for "scenery," and maybe an aquarium exhibit type with fish, aquatic frogs, etc.
But adding whales, dolphins, larger fish, etc. wouldn't feel very realistic to me. It's not often you see whales, dolphins, sharks, and the like in zoos. I would honestly prefer they build off the Planet Zoo engine a few years down the line and create a whole new game centered around aquariums. That would make more sense to me (and be more appealing) than DLC. That way they could really hone in on your ability to design tanks, etc.
I don't think adding whales to PZ is a good idea. They're too big, too expensive to care for, and nobody has figured out how to keep them in captivity in real life. Same thing with great whites.
Dolphins are neat, but this topic is as controversial as cloning and can lead into massive debates which we're basically trying to avoid in this forum.
Some species of sharks would look nice in PZ's aquatic DLC (i.e. the common shark species like blacktips, sand tigers, nurse, things like that).
I basically approve a PZ aquatic DLC.
Dolphins are neat, but this topic is as controversial as cloning and can lead into massive debates which we're basically trying to avoid in this forum.
Some species of sharks would look nice in PZ's aquatic DLC (i.e. the common shark species like blacktips, sand tigers, nurse, things like that).
I basically approve a PZ aquatic DLC.
For everyone that says it's unrealistic and unethical to keep whales and such in captivity--
It's the same issue with elephants. There's been so much light shed on the issue within the last few years that zoos simply don't have the capacity to properly care for elephants. So many zoos are no longer taking in elephants, and those that have elephants have announced that once they've passed away, they will no longer have elephants at their zoo.
Yet no one's arguing against having elephants in zoos in PZ? Hmm. But anyway there's already been this discussion on another thread so I won't be getting involved in another one. Just something to think about.
It's the same issue with elephants. There's been so much light shed on the issue within the last few years that zoos simply don't have the capacity to properly care for elephants. So many zoos are no longer taking in elephants, and those that have elephants have announced that once they've passed away, they will no longer have elephants at their zoo.
Yet no one's arguing against having elephants in zoos in PZ? Hmm. But anyway there's already been this discussion on another thread so I won't be getting involved in another one. Just something to think about.
It's not really the same.
And I am not intended to go into a discussion too deep. Because it's not for me to say what gets in the game and what not. I'm only here to make suggestions.
But.
A Elephant is kept in a zoo to sustain and help the population in the wild (Just like Tigers, etc.)
I don't think that is the same intention with whales. As they are primarely there for entertainment purposes.
Except that even in that case, zoos have been proven ill equipped for caring for elephants. There's many articles about the issue. It's more accepted in today's standard that elephants should be kept in sanctuaries, whether they're dedicated to conservational breeding or not, where they have acres and acres of land to roam.
I have no strong allegiance to either argument, I just want to point out that keeping elephants in zoos is already a point of controversy.
... And at the end of the day, it's a game. Good on them for trying to teach more about conservation but I'm also not going to view them as bad guys if they want to include marine animal shows in a DLC.
Can we first get the base game in order before adding even more stuff? I would love to get all these animals too but they heavily depend on water and at the moment I just don’t see it happening. Later when they have a full aquatic dlc with fish and aquatic mammals, they can focus on movements in water and make sure it’s perfect.
The biggest difference for me is that, when you look at the vast majority of zoos across the globe, you won't find dolphins, whales, or sharks (though the latter is an exception). That's what I find to be largely "unrealistic" about it compared to elephants. The thought of putting energy into devising game mechanics for, say, a dolphin show or something just feels counter-intuitive to the game's intentions.
Your point about elephants is a valid one, though... For me it's just a separate area of "realism" that I'm talking about/concerned with. (Hopefully that makes sense!)