The ADS
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Yeah, although the sexy tag is now the Mapped By one. It's worth more and requires effort to get. The game has moved on.
It has maybe even moved on to higher realism! In the image below are spectrograms of Trappist-1 planets in the habitable zones. Can be found at https://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1802e/:
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This data was gathered from within our solar system, so 40 light years from Earth, roughly. We didn't have to go anywhere at all to get this data, although it took a bit of time and a lot of that time was bum-in-seat time. Is it not feasible that we can get similar data, maybe at even better resolution, within a solar system and of itself? And relatively quickly and easy too 1,000+ years in the future?
I would have liked the FSS to show peaks depending on atmospheric compounds etc. But the current FSS is a nicely watered-down version of a sci fi radiotelescope otherwise.
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Trappist and your spectrograms also demonstrate what is wrong with the FSS.
Those graphs represent a more detailed examination of objects discovered by another means.
If the tools used to get those graphs were used to try and find the planets, the Trappist system would still be just another unremarkable star that no-one would pay much attention to.
That is the clear distinction I make between the ADS and FSS.
The FSS is adequate as a body scanner to give you the detailed info about a body.
But it’s a terrible system scanner which is why there is still a functional gap for exploration that the old ADS or something similar would fill.
Many of us would prefer to see an outline picture and then choose which bits to colour in rather than having to build the picture coloured piece by coloured piece.
And it’s not even an either / or problem - having both tools would support both methods separately as well as a combined approach that I’d certainly make use of.
Yes, the TRAPPIST images are of snippets of the spectrum surveyed to find the habitable zone planets.The FSA similar seems to be a more detailed examination of the data gathered by the FSS using a set of filters: First the star(s) are filtered out (upon scanner ping), then large bodies such as gas giants are filtered out to allow discovery of moons within the FSA.
I think the Nav Pane could be populated with [Unexplored] objects, in addition to having the FSS spectrum to play with, for a slightly less clunky exploration experience. Something could indeed fill that hole, although the old god-honk ADS is too much for the job. I do like that nothing shows up in the System Map until we have actively surveyed it with the FSA.
SI want the early beta fuel and repair prices back, as will the mission income back to what it was in when the game first went live. Can I have that too then?
SWasn't fuel and repairs prohibitively expensive in the beginning, and mission payout really low? Either way, the current and past price ranges can't exist side by side, so not a good example anyway.
Either way, reinstating a placeholder mechanic just because some got used to it isn't a good idea either. I do agree with MadDogMurdock above that the FSS experience could be smoother with an in-between step of scanning revealing just the overall picture. We have that as the scanner spectrum at the moment, but we don't see that in the main UI.
The game is supposed to move forward. And so are these discussions.
/Sysmon OUT.
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I don't know that is true. I mean that with the ADS you could arrive, honk and scoop and when scooping or when moving towards making the next jump (or even as the FSD was charging) - you could open the system map and see at a glance if there was anything potentially "cherry-flavoured". No, you actually have to be at min speed to open the FSS so in effect the FSS could be / is slower / less convenient in cherry detection. ;-)
(Not forgetting that the FSS doesn't show the distance to or number of any HMCs or WWs until you zoom-in on them, so determining if they are in the goldilocks zone is less convenient than with the ADS.)
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How about the integrity repair costs that made slamming your anaconda into the station wall much more cost effective?
Well in the opinion of myself and others they mega-failed, mini-games are busy work for busy work's sake - there are numerous flaws with the overall approach and implementation. Arguably, NOT an improvement due to the poorly thought through design and abysmal execution.
The only reason people call the FSS a cherry pickers delight is because you can get the first discovered by tag without moving from the star, but failing to realise its the first mapped tag which give you more cash, is more effort to do and therefor the most important one.
If anything the older version was far easier to cherry pick, honk, open system map, travel to your cherry picked planet. Now you need to honk, open FSS, use the FSS to find the planets you want to cherry pick, travel to said planet to map it.
Thats fine, as long as you remember that it is just a subjective opinion that many people do not agree with.
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Yes there is. Your radar shows them and their respective position to you. All you have to do is rotate your ship until you see the icon to target it.
Not in a completely unexplored system. You don't see any planets unless they are within range of of the auto scan. What you are seeing, if you see planets are planets that are already discovered by other commanders. Go to a Virgin system that hasn't been discovered by anyone and you won't see anything after a honk apart from the local stars, asteroid belts and if you are lucky a few planets that are in range of the autoscan.
Posting in this thread because I'm supposed to.
You are also supposed to post in all the other threads too. You can't leave all of the others out.
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Ok fair enough Im not sure I've seen many virgin systems previous to the gas and I whip that out right away if I know I haven't been where I'm going, which is pretty rare these days
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