I'd have no problem with an increased timer, but put the confirmation at the start in case real life comes calling.
Elite not very dangerous ?
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I'd have no problem with an increased timer, but put the confirmation at the start in case real life comes calling.
Frankly if you are under fire, have a limpet on you then you should not be able to exit. If you are parked, alone and still in space, then its fine. Otherwise its a giant get out of trouble gift card.
Robert Maynard
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All that the harassing player(s) would need to do is "play pirate" to stop a player leaving the game indefinitely.
So, how then does FD tell the difference between you using the feature, and say someone in Powerplay who uses block to avoid interception the second time round, bearing in mind you are in an opt in feature within an opt in mode?
At some point you have to accept there is a cut off, and that if you go too far one way (or the other) it harms the game. IMO FD have gone too far with the protections at the expense of everything else.
I've already been reported for abusing it by some cheats and station griefers (according to them anyway) and nothing ever happened to I'd assume FDEV can tell.
Chain interdiction was actualy the example Sandro gave as a reason to block another player when it was introduced in 2014.
I can see that it could be argued that the first is intended use and the second is an exploit. If FD decree that it's an exploit I suppose they'll have to come up with a way to tell the difference. It looks hard, but not impossible. Heuristics based on recent game activity would be needed.
And chain interdiction being a result of bad game design. Since players can avoid dropping at NAVs, drop into a NFZ almost instantly it negates many natural pirating zones.
Robert Maynard
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Frontier decided long ago that PvP would be optional - everyone backed or bought the game on that basis.
Some players can't accept that other players don't need to play with them at all or don't need to continue to play with them if it's not "fun".
The cut-off, in my opinion, may well have been reached prior to the design being published in 2012.
How do you design the game so you can't be chain interdicted ?.
But you are not answering the question- even in an optional feature in an opt in mode there has to be a base state where a player cannot run so to allow piracy. It should not be up to a player to decide what is 'allowable' piracy or decide to log.
It could be done. If I had the energy I'd write out a proposal.
Robert Maynard
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We'll have to agree to disagree on the necessity for a means to potentially harass players.
A good question
ATM doing some work toward Rear Admiral on my main, the amount of NPC interdiction attempts is silly when 24 jobs are stacked, each with the 'possibility of hostile ships' I think 5 in a chain has been the best so far...Indeed. But its like playing Super Mario Brothers, falling into a pit and deciding 'hmmm,I don't agree with that death' and quitting to escape. Harassment should be fought- but it should not be done in such a way that it does not ruin one of the ways to play that gives the game some danger.
He's talking about the necessity for a means to be able to enjoy adversarial gameplay and you know it.
Adversarial gameplay =/= harassment. It is difficult to find a way that allows the one while trying to minimise the other, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't ask for it. Because for a lot of players (not you, you made that abundantly clear) it would make for a better game.
A game that would then still have two modes in which you would be entirely safe, by the way.
Robert Maynard
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If players could be trusted to "play nicely" then I'd agree.
They can't. Hence Frontier left it up to each player to decide which mode to play in, when to leave the game and who to add to their block-list.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I know - however there's no necessity for any player to enjoy adversarial gameplay.
Not in most cases, no. However the fact that it can be used to harass would seem to be indisputable.
Other Developers have embraced it and called it gameplay. Frontier chose not to do that.
Why not petition for a fourth mode to be added - Locked Open - with no menu exit if "in danger", no blocking, no mode changing - rather than making Open as it is even less attractive for those who don't enjoy the attentions of other players?
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A good question
That's the best bit of poop shifting for me, blast them all and scoop the mats.
Lovely
Now they are getting to be mainly Annie's it will be worth it... A T10 was kind enough to 'donate' some very nice mats last night 
(Just as an aside - in a cutter (I hate that ship!) for the cargo hauling - and trying to be 'mostly' unengineered modules as I'll flog the useless heap as soon as I've ranked up, makes it even more fun!)