Where did it go wrong?

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Stigbob

Stigbob
iFred said:
Horizon was planned for 1 year. So we have 3 "seasons" missing yet.
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A season a year was just forum theorycrafting. The real version was more DLC will happen only if its popular, technically possible and financially viable.

There was a meltdown around the first DLC which effected at least two of those things (maybe all three) so we went without for a while. Things must be reasonably back on track though as there's more on the way. It may well have reduced the overall amount of DLC we get though since the plan obviously had to be adapted and time has been lost.
 

Delilah

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It is true that some people complain about or praise most anything. In Elite this is egged on by the bitterly negative, sock-puppets, and sycophants.

Still reason and evidence helps us identify where Frontier has done a superb job and where they've failed. The visual and aural environments are spectacular. Combat is fun, so too now is core mining. The efforts (if not entirely successful) to mitigate griefing especially of noobs is praiseworthy. Even so, powerplay, the original engineers, and multicrew are examples of mechanics gone wrong.

At root this was a past problem of delivering a minimally viable product in most respects. Such efforts bespeak a culture of mediocrity at any company. This is not something I think sticks to the devs - look at the great things they've accomplished when allowed to do so. It was rather poor leadership and a lack of resources likely holding them back.

This said, and to give credit where it is due, Frontier seems to be turning over a new leaf. It began with fixing the worst of engineering. Changes to mining and exploration are welcome. And the pause on new features to quash bugs is a good turn.

So I'm cautiously hopeful for the future.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
iFred said:
Why not. Nice try. But:

I said weekly. Progress reports. I know it´s hard to believe, but yes - weekly.

So yes - communication has changed. You may want to defend your position, but in fact the frequency of News decreased over the past few years.
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We did not really have weekly progress reports, at least not about future news or upcoming content, which has been the focus of the criticism. Those only came once FDEV was ready to share news and that has been the same way of communicating since 2014 as mentioned above.

Now if you are referring to comments by FDEV on already existing and released content the issue is quite trivial and really not an issue. Also FDEV does all kinds of live streams and dev posts and news sharing every week aswell, in addition to their specific and dedicated FF and what not.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Delilah said:
It is true that some people complain about or praise most anything. In Elite this is egged on by the bitterly negative, sock-puppets, and sycophants.

Still reason and evidence helps us identify where Frontier has done a superb job and where they've failed. The visual and aural environments are spectacular. Combat is fun, so too now is core mining. The efforts (if not entirely successful) to mitigate griefing especially of noobs is praiseworthy. Even so, powerplay, the original engineers, and multicrew are examples of mechanics gone wrong.

At root this was a past problem of delivering a minimally viable product in most respects. Such efforts bespeak a culture of mediocrity at any company. This is not something I think sticks to the devs - look at the great things they've accomplished when allowed to do so. It was rather poor leadership and a lack of resources likely holding them back.

This said, and to give credit where it is due, Frontier seems to be turning over a new leaf. It began with fixing the worst of engineering. Changes to mining and exploration are welcome. And the pause on new features to quash bugs is a good turn.

So I'm cautiously hopeful for the future.
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The always said the initial release would be an MVP followed by expansions if possible, go check kickstarter its all still there.

I'm amazed how people manage to miss this stuff.
 

Ezren

Ezren
iFred said:
I don´t care how you name it. At least things have gone pretty wrong since 2015 and as stated before I have some hopes that everyone realized that the game design was - lets say - not top of the list and that they immediately started to go for a second Elite franchise. And if that´s not the case I feel ripped off. End of story.

Sorry that I am not posting your opinion but mine.
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Sorry about your feelings, but nothing you said really made much of an opinion, except that you think 0 = 1, which is false. Sorry if you feel differently.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Riverside said:
Well you could just read my response to Stigbob's post, it's all there ;)

So extrapolate. Guess, based on the context, what you think I meant. I'll put something up later if you genuinely can't figure out what I mean.
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No. You were asked a direct question about your direct statement. You're playing coy with this vague nonsense because you've fumbled into a corner.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Ezren said:
No. You were asked a direct question about your direct statement. You're playing coy with this vague nonsense because you've fumbled into a corner.
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Okay, well if me saying I'll put something up later if you genuinely can't figure it out is something you think of as coy I'm not sure me explaining is really going to make any difference to you. I think you do understand and are just trying to be awkward for the sake of it.
 

Riverside

Riverside
It's been interesting to read the on-topic opinions in this thread, like a trip down memory lane ;).

It's a reminder of what's good about the game too, an easy thing to forget sometimes. I play every day, I started at 6am today & have only just logged off, not many games have that much play on them. But there have been problems too, I hope FDev takes note of the good and the bad.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Riverside said:
... I play every day, I started at 6am today ...
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But.... that's halfway through the night 😲
(I refuse to mention that I have been known to start playing around 10 am, take a break for an hour or so to walk the dogs, then continue until around 23:30 with a 'dinner break' hour...)

Great play session!
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Burke said:
hehehe. Not working then?

This is meant in good humour. Incase its not clear. :p
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Peasant! Dont'cha know itz Crispymas? (6 years ago I was 'celebrating' giving up work permanently, a great choice!)

You ought to come back to the game, then you could 1-up @Riverside and claim to have started playing even earlier :)
(and the fact that in the Formorian Frontier every bit of Bio I have found so far is Crystalline Shards and having a great explorer in the area would be nice...)
 

Riverside

Riverside
Ratkatcher said:
But.... that's halfway through the night 😲
(I refuse to mention that I have been known to start playing around 10 am, take a break for an hour or so to walk the dogs, then continue until around 23:30 with a 'dinner break' hour...)

Great play session!
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I've got an election going atm, flipping a system to a Feudal faction for Hudson. It'll be my 7th system flip in 3 months, the last of the easy (strategically uncomplicated) ones on my current project. I've never pledged, I just wouldn't wish any more leaflet deliveries on anyone than is absolutely necessary, and our goals align.

All because of the invasion bug not retreating the losing faction. The bug is fixed now :) But the factions remain :(
 
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[VR] M4st0d0n

[VR] M4st0d0n
babelfisch said:
Ok, I'll do it. I'll waste my time looking for posts where people said FDEV should stop releasing new features and focus on bug fixing instead. I don't know why though. Maybe because it's Christmas.

September update bug fix wishlist

So, we're getting a new update in couple weeks and it made me wonder:"will this update introduce new bugs or will it actually fix few of the old ones?" I expect the answer being the former, but one can still dream, right? Anyways, here's a wishlist for a bug fixes or improvements we'd like to...
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Fix this game that you sold me Frontier!!!!!!!!!!

It would be nice if you would fix this game that you sold. I am tired of going to the Mission Board and getting the failed to communicate with sever error message. This has been a regular occurrence for two weeks. Since I never have a problem accessing the galaxy and system maps the problem...
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I'm done or "So long and thanks for all the fish."

I am done playing Elite until such a time as Frontier can pull their collective head outta ____ and finally put the QUALITY back into QA. Now I'm not making this post to tear them down or pick a fight with the white knights and fan boys. This is so that in the unlikely event that some fellow...
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[video] The need for more "CONTENT"

https://youtu.be/RrhD9-RrmLY
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I could go on and post a few hundred of these suggestions, but I guess you would just continue to claim that nobody ever asked for bug fixes instead of new features...
;)
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I'm impressed you went as far as 2016 to find 4 posts frankly. Three years of delay for those, they must feel like true influencers.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Burke said:
All i want to do is fly round scanning with the ADS. There see you made me say it.

Iv never used the FSS so the game i remember is the one i used to enjoy.
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I know - it is just me thinking that when you were playing you loved the game, and if you were around these days in the same area as me the banter could be quite fun...
 
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