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That is not how you start a discussion, but sure.
1) That is not a serious scientific question. It is not even a non-serious scientific question. It is a moral question, at best.
2) I am not quite sure how big a thing disposable versus renewable cup is in the first place, when I read about Starbuck's decision it was the first I heard of this supposedly being a major issue. Maybe I am missing something, but it sounds like a PR move by Starbucks to signal how careful and aware of the virus they are. When infection starts spreading people will avoid these 'luxury/accessory' stores like, well, the plague. Nobody is going to work on their first novel on their MacBook in a fancy coffeeshop for a while...
3) Personally I make my own coffee at home, and at work we use mugs that are washed at the end of the day. As a Greta-worshipping woke lefty environmentalist I couldn't care less about what Starbucks does; I am Dutch and there ain't no way I am going to pay $10 or whatever for a cup of coffee. Reusable or otherwise.
Ian, you say that that isn't a way to start a conversation...but this is the first time you've addressed me or commented on a post of mine in months, so something must be working
I understand what you are saying.
However, the pollution has no borders, and planes, cars and trucks do not operate by zone.
They pollute the planet globally.
As for the resources, there too, they are limited by areas and the population does not count.
When it is said that at the end of the first six months of the year, the humans have already consumed what the planet can produce in 1 year ... the questions of areas and population seem futile.
You do not seem to see and feel the climate change in all its components and the harmful activities of the humans on the nature, because of their excesses.
I am delighted when I hear that Lufthansa immobilizes 150 planes on the ground due to coronavirus. An excellent news here.
The storm problem is that the scientists don't know what they are facing.
No vaccines, evolution / mutation unknown at the moment.
In France also the seasonal flu infects between 2 and 6 million people and kills between 8000 and 15000 people, each year
If we are lucky it will. Given it magically targets certain age groups it would take down all the politicians in one go!! ><
We could call it the, "Irony Plague!" The plague that saved humanity! We may have a winner in this one... >>
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I'm surprised with their money they don't try to invest in or have made an eco friendly low fuel hybrid or some cool new type jet. Maybe it's a safety thing, but some of those new airplane designs are pretty interesting.Okey dokey then.
I'll just leave these right here......
Remember:
#DoAsIVirtueSignalAndNotAsIDo
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And as of last month, these altruistic eco-warriors had the audacity to fly in a private chartered jet. Courtesy of JP Morgan. All the way from Vancouver Island, Canada, across the continental United States to Miami Florida. To attend an exclusive, A lister finance summit where Just Harry pontificated to some of the wealthiest billionaires in the world about mental health issues. You simply. Cannot. Make. This. Up.
And oh yeah. JP Morgan. One of the worst white collar criminal investment banks (second only to Goldman Sachs) responsible for global warming & climate change from jet related atmospheric emissions. Second only to their part in the global financial bubble implosion in 2007-2009.
That is how HE starts a conversation. I never understood the lack of understanding of the irony of that phrase.
What if the question is a psychological test!? 8o
One alternative is to make much bigger cups sizes along with the normal ones and do 1 sale per customer period. That would at least lower all risks a little. Then we get Megaerdiculous 150oz cup sizes! 8) Sell the entire pot in one go! The people who buy starbucks don't care about money. They would at the least complain about the price but buy the same amount if it were sold in seperate smaller cups and they had to refill constantly!
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Ian, you say that that isn't a way to start a conversation...but this is the first time you've addressed me or commented on a post of mine in months, so something must be working
That is more due to me being stuck in the house with flu-like symptoms, so I ran out of my usual routine.
Let's see...
The Universe is about 13 Billion years old
Earth is 4.5 Billion years old
Homo Sapiens is about 100,000 years old
Global extinctions have happened in the past
A lucky Human has a life span of 100 years
And we could easily get hit by an asteroid at any time
Remind me what I'm really supposed to be worried about again...
Whoa is me, whoa is me, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!
Save the planet!!!
As if we actually can - hilarious.
You have but one life to live. Enjoy it wisely.
The Universe is about 13 Billion years old
Earth is 4.5 Billion years old
Homo Sapiens is about 100,000 years old
Global extinctions have happened in the past
A lucky Human has a life span of 100 years
And we could easily get hit by an asteroid at any time
Remind me what I'm really supposed to be worried about again...
Whoa is me, whoa is me, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!
Save the planet!!!
As if we actually can - hilarious.
You have but one life to live. Enjoy it wisely.
I'm an environmentally conscious leftie (by your standards).
I was on the road Friday and got a few refills at three different coffee stops in three different counties, I usually get them to fill my own mug but since there's an infectious potentially killer virus about I just bought disposable cups and filled it myself (pre-empting their decision). I could have spread the virus round the server who takes your cup and the barista who actually fills it at each of them plus other customers plus the seven or eight people I met with elsewhere. On balance three cardboard cups is the lesser evil. Not exactly a dilemma.
The really hard decision came in the toilets, I carefully washed my hands walked to the door saw it was an inwards opening one with a handle anyone could have touched and waited for someone else to walk in opening it for me rather than touch it. Hanging about in the toilets isn't something I normally do but there were a few of us there by the time someone came in, next time I took a tissue and opened it with that before pitching it in the bin.
About three weeks ago I caught the worst cold of my adult life. I was literally bed ridden for about four days, then extremely debilitated for another ten or so. Even after that I struggled with a terrible cough, intermittent fever, terrible headache, etc. I was able to work through it, but it was pretty awful. My whole family was sick to one degree or the other, but I was the worst by far. Now, other than having some tendons sewed back together when I was in my late teens I've never been to a doctor for anything and I wasn't about to go the hospital for something like this, but it really does make me wonder: how would I or anyone else in my situation actually know for sure whether they'd caught the Covis 19 virus, or just something else that was pretty nasty?That is more due to me being stuck in the house with flu-like symptoms, so I ran out of my usual routine.
Two years ago I had a pneumonia. A scary experience.
But I fully recovered after 4 weeks.
So now I'm pretty calm in front of the Coronavirus epidemia.
But I fully recovered after 4 weeks.
So now I'm pretty calm in front of the Coronavirus epidemia.
Without getting it tested (either for the virus then or later for antibodies)? You won't know. In your case, it being three weeks ago, it was more likely not COVID19 I suspect. But it might have been. The crappy part is that COVID can also express itself way less seriously, more like a mild flu or even the common cold. In my case it sounds far less serious than you. Oddly enough we have two types of 'fever' over here: 'verhoging' (98.6-100.4 F) and 'koorts' (or 'real fever'; above 100.4F). I have the first one, which means I dont have a fever in Dutch but I do in English. Didn't know that, so not clue what WHO means with 'fever' as a symptom.
For the rest it is painful breathing, headaches, painful throat, fatique. I usually have this once or twice a year so no major concern to me, but of course it is somewhat worrisome regarding potentially spreading something more serious. So I cancelled my visit to my grandparents and will work from home for a bit until I feel better (company policy for now: if you have flue-like symptoms, please get lost for a bit). It is a tricky one; if you do have COVID authorities need to know so they can monitor your social surrounding. If you don't have it you're wasting already limited resources. Given I don't know anybody who has been demonstrably infected, haven't been to an at-risk zone, we're just at the onset stage and I frequently have similar symptoms (minus the breathing part though) I'm currently waiting a bit. If it stays the same for a few more days I'll call my physician and let her decide. That would only waste a minute of her time and we have dedicated timeslots for such random calls.
In any case, glad you and your family recovered, whatever it was!
With all the hysteria and coverage causing so much attention being focused on cruise ships, they're probably safer now than at any time in several decades.
Now's the time to go. Crews are probably scrubbing everything and spraying cleaners around all day and there's likely so many vacancies you'd have the ship virtually to yourself if you can find one that's sailing. Where to? Bermuda, Bahamas? Not a bad idea.
But first, it's my nap time.
Now's the time to go. Crews are probably scrubbing everything and spraying cleaners around all day and there's likely so many vacancies you'd have the ship virtually to yourself if you can find one that's sailing. Where to? Bermuda, Bahamas? Not a bad idea.
But first, it's my nap time.
I had very severe symptoms, but my wife had no more than a mild cold and the kids sort of ran the gamut in between the two of us parents.Without getting it tested (either for the virus then or later for antibodies)? You won't know. In your case, it being three weeks ago, it was more likely not COVID19 I suspect. But it might have been. The crappy part is that COVID can also express itself way less seriously, more like a mild flu or even the common cold. In my case it sounds far less serious than you. Oddly enough we have two types of 'fever' over here: 'verhoging' (98.6-100.4 F) and 'koorts' (or 'real fever'; above 100.4F). I have the first one, which means I dont have a fever in Dutch but I do in English. Didn't know that, so not clue what WHO means with 'fever' as a symptom.
For the rest it is painful breathing, headaches, painful throat, fatique. I usually have this once or twice a year so no major concern to me, but of course it is somewhat worrisome regarding potentially spreading something more serious. So I cancelled my visit to my grandparents and will work from home for a bit until I feel better (company policy for now: if you have flue-like symptoms, please get lost for a bit). It is a tricky one; if you do have COVID authorities need to know so they can monitor your social surrounding. If you don't have it you're wasting already limited resources. Given I don't know anybody who has been demonstrably infected, haven't been to an at-risk zone, we're just at the onset stage and I frequently have similar symptoms (minus the breathing part though) I'm currently waiting a bit. If it stays the same for a few more days I'll call my physician and let her decide. That would only waste a minute of her time and we have dedicated timeslots for such random calls.
In any case, glad you and your family recovered, whatever it was!
A couple observations, meant only to be taken as food for thought: I'm almost exactly in the age demographic where the mortality rate for the virus leaps to a higher percentage, so it stands to reason the symptoms would be likely to be more severe for me as opposed to the kids or my wife, just going with the math. Second, if the virus was identified in Wuhan in the end of December then it just stands to reason that it was around for a minimum of several weeks before being officially identified, so how many cases does that really put in various locations around the world that were transmitting potentially weeks (if not months) before we even started looking for them? And when we did finally start looking...we found them. Potentially there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cases that simply haven't been reported. Just look at the lack of testing kits there are to actually test people, and not only weren't/aren't available in every region, there are so few that only the most acute were/are being tested. I know that I'm no scientist, believe me I get that, but it just seems to be common sense that this virus is far more prevalent then is currently understood in any "official" manner.
In light of that, there exists the very real possibility that I, you, and many others have already contracted it. All it would have taken was an Amazon delivery during the holiday season, given the lifespan of the virus on inanimate objects like, say, cellophane wrapping in a cozy little shelter of packing peanuts covered with a nice protective armor of cardboard. Without being tested, we'd never know for sure.
Wait, I think I have an answer. As far away from one of these as possible!
We will dub it the bear plague!!!
Or anyone drinking one of their products. What if it was made in a brewery. The make bacteria for a living. Did a corona plant open in china recently? Maybe changes in the environment made a super virus.
www.eluniversal.com.mx
They send mexican master brewers everywhere to supervise. That could speed up spreading and mutating of weird bacteria and viruses couldn't it. Or is that par for the course these days. It's a brewery too. So, it's not like they aren't swimming in the stuff.
Is there any connection to corona virus and yeast in general?!
We will dub it the bear plague!!!
Or anyone drinking one of their products. What if it was made in a brewery. The make bacteria for a living. Did a corona plant open in china recently? Maybe changes in the environment made a super virus.
Made in China: Corona, the iconic Mexican beer, to lose its traditional origin
Corona started local production on markets outside Mexico due to the need of its owner Anheuser-Busch InBev of satisfying high demand and solving supplies problems
www.eluniversal.com.mx
They send mexican master brewers everywhere to supervise. That could speed up spreading and mutating of weird bacteria and viruses couldn't it. Or is that par for the course these days. It's a brewery too. So, it's not like they aren't swimming in the stuff.
Is there any connection to corona virus and yeast in general?!
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Personally i would just stop drinking with them all together.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/starbucks-nespresso-caught-in-child-labour-scandal.html
Well, I mostly agree with that reasoning, with one caveat: while I suspect we are probably far further along its trajectory than currently presented in the news, I don't think it will have been many months already for one reason: due to the exponential rate of infection and the high mortality among the elderly, we would have automatically picked up on this if it had already spread for too long. Rather crudely put: not enough elderly people died for this to have spread for too long.
But when the news say there are now 266 infected people in the Netherlands I can't help but smile and think:"No, you know of 266 people, there are way more among us...". And yes, that might include us...
But when the news say there are now 266 infected people in the Netherlands I can't help but smile and think:"No, you know of 266 people, there are way more among us...". And yes, that might include us...
Sadly, this. The main reason why they found so many cases in Italy and it seems like it has spreaded all over the world from here, is that Italy started testing people en masse at first, while practically every other country only on an "already confirmed case of contacts with infected" basis. No wonder, the more you test, the more you discover everywhere. We aren't even actually sure of how many people may have died from that in previous weeks when no one even knew it was a thing. And even with people dying now, it's not easy to confirm when a person died as a direct consequence of virus damage, or due to pre-existing conditions eventually aggravated by it.
It's just a big mess all around and there are chances we are still blissfully oblivious to the real extension of the contagion.
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