General / Off-Topic The safest place

Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
I don't even have a clue why your running your keyboard at me as I wasn't talking to you. Also, your statement doesn't even come close to making any sense seeing as how America has been discussing this right alongside everyone else at a global level. I'm an American and I was among the first to call for preparation, even when plenty of Europeans accused me of fear mongering, prepping in a way harmful to society and engaging in tinfoil hat conspiracies for doing so. Before this officially even left China. So your point is ridiculous even on that level. Your constant insistence that there is a score to keep and drawing these bizarre separations meant only to demoralize is mind boggling.

Funny you should bring up Italy; their country is fighting for their lives and has some truly awful statistics any way you would care to look at them and yet I can honestly say I haven't read a single post here criticizing their leadership for lack of preparedness, or going to the next level and trying to constantly undermine their efforts to pull out of the nosedive. Funny that it's constantly America America Trump Trump America America with you guys, yet mums the word about China, Italy, or even your own countries. As to your statement about needing a gentler forum...that's pretty rich when you can say anything you want here whilst I cannot because I'm American.

Just focus on your population and leadership Ian. Put a bit of thought into how many of your own coutrymen are laying in critical care units and perhaps reserve your negativity for the government in charge of what's happening there. And don't forget to wash your hands.

Not everything an attack on America, I'd struggle to say anything positive about Trump mostly because I think he's a dangerous draught dodging moron with a comical combover. However Johnson is a twice sacked proven liar who is shacked up in Number 10 with his latest mistress having abandoned his wife while she struggled through cancer alone, he also scammed the thickies into voting for Brexit.

So don't feel picked on, they are both absolutely dreadful leaders and the worst sort to have bluffing their incompetent way through a crisis like this.
 
I can honestly say I haven't read a single post here criticizing their leadership for lack of preparedness, or going to the next level and trying to constantly undermine their efforts to pull out of the nosedive. Funny that it's constantly America America Trump Trump America America with you guys, yet mums the word about China, Italy, or even your own countries. As to your statement about needing a gentler forum...that's pretty rich when you can say anything you want here whilst I cannot because I'm American.

Just focus on your population and leadership Ian. Put a bit of thought into how many of your own coutrymen are laying in critical care units and perhaps reserve your negativity for the government in charge of what's happening there. And don't forget to wash your hands.

That is completely silly. Heck, when I was criticizing actions by my government just days ago you disagreed with me, and I had to explain why I felt the actions taken by my government were wrong. We've been critical about all our government for literally hundreds of pages. You are just suddenly very sensitive when a few posts of the literally hundred of pages of posts are about your country. It is absurd to say this topic is all about America. I will not make an exception for the US, we are not suddenly all going to limit ourselves to our own country, and if that is an issue to you I will simply continue discuss this with those who are able and willing to.
 
Both. I touched on this earlier: when they rejected the idea of drastic measures part of the rationale was that the situation would continue to get worse for the forseeable future. So if you close schools now, you can't open them in a few weeks again: you've pretty much closes them for this school year at the very least. Next day they did announce the closure of the school. For three weeks. Already they have been pushing a number of deadlines ahead, so it looks like it is a lock down for the forseeable future but they won't yet commit to that to prevent public unrest.

Remember that Italy has seen what this virus does. It makes it easier to accept lock down. We're not there, yet.

It seems that the humanity is trapped for a little while.
 
It seems that the humanity is trapped for a little while.

Yes, and slowly that is sinking in with folks around me. The social dynamics are radically changed; you cant go around meeting up with local friends. No daily coffee breaks with colleagues. I can't go to the Netherlands to pop around my family or mates. I know people who are now struggling with the arrangements about their kids with ex-partners. With non-essential shops closed, streets are much more empty. Only a handful of people are allowed into stores any given time with long, stretched-out for social distancing, lines outside. Oddly, I can't experience most of this myself as I am locked indoor.

Fortunately, things are looking well here in Belgium. The measures are extreme, but have been proven to work in Asia and are starting to work in Italy. Yes, deaths will increase in the weeks to come. Yes, there is a growing sense of dread among friends in healthcare as slowly hospitals approach their peak capacity. Things will break, and terrible horrors will take place. But the nightmare scenarios of hundreds of thousands of deaths will be avoided, I am confident of that since the measures were finally set in place.

The Netherlands is looking not so great. The government is still going for a soft approach, believing in an approach that has already been shown to be ineffective and aided by a council that bases its advice on assumptions that have been proven to be false in the last few days. I hope they will turn around in the coming days. We are receiving help from China, but the current path will inevitably lead to catastrophic outcomes. ICU capacity is among the best in Europe, but not nearly enough for what is coming. Unless things will change, the Netherlands will become like Italy. The UK, Australia and the US are also not looking that great at the moment either. And I dont even want to think about what is going to happen in India, West Africa and other regions where healthcare will crumble within a day once the show starts.
 
Last edited:
I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why the people on the hardcore environmentalist scene aren't elated about this turn of events. This pandemic will do more to straighten out pollution, overpopulation and extreme resource consumption than any policy controlled by a government that they could have dreamed up. Logically this demographic should be dancing in the streets.
 
I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why the people on the hardcore environmentalist scene aren't elated about this turn of events. This pandemic will do more to straighten out pollution, overpopulation and extreme resource consumption than any policy controlled by a government that they could have dreamed up. Logically this demographic should be dancing in the streets.


"Logically" - explains it...
 
I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why the people on the hardcore environmentalist scene aren't elated about this turn of events. This pandemic will do more to straighten out pollution, overpopulation and extreme resource consumption than any policy controlled by a government that they could have dreamed up. Logically this demographic should be dancing in the streets.

Wait till we're feeling better. Back to business as usual I suspect, but with a few changes.
 
Not everything an attack on America, I'd struggle to say anything positive about Trump mostly because I think he's a dangerous draught dodging moron with a comical combover. However Johnson is a twice sacked proven liar who is shacked up in Number 10 with his latest mistress having abandoned his wife while she struggled through cancer alone, he also scammed the thickies into voting for Brexit.

So don't feel picked on, they are both absolutely dreadful leaders and the worst sort to have bluffing their incompetent way through a crisis like this.
So, your viewpoint on this seems kind of superficial and about what I'd expect from you. I think we all get that politicians aren't saints, but nothing you said has anything to do with the matter at hand. I don't know about your guy, but our guy has been doing an amazing job with our country regardless of unprecedented levels of opposition; the only people in our country who would disagree with me want to move us closer to embracing socialism, so it just stands to reason that they would be in opposition.
 
NY Stock Exchange has closed the Floor from Monday.
Electronic/internet trading and ordinary retail trading through brokerage orders will not be affected, but the symbolic heart of Capitalism will be temporarily shuttered.

There have been positive tests from the Floor.

This isn't likely to have much practical effect, as almost all the trades are electronic now.
 
I have far different concerns than the one's I raised, but I imagine that these events will deeply impact them, too. Gotta start taking the long view.

Way too early to make any meaningful conclusions... but I'm watching, I guess. Potential impacts to healthcare are the obvious things. The cancelling of primary elections in Ohio are concerning to me, but I'm not getting alarmist about it.

Had an interesting thought at the grocery store tonight. Read this with the sarcastic tone you'd expect from me: "Oh no. I only have one brand of almond milk to choose from?!"

How much fear of hardship is actually just driven by less luxury?
 
That is where you try to modify it for fun to change the flavor. Or instead of drinking it you use it as an ingredient and find new ways to use it. Or find the best cereal to pour it on.

Almond milks are thick and could make great texture in other drinks or chocolate cocoa! 8)
 
Way too early to make any meaningful conclusions... but I'm watching, I guess. Potential impacts to healthcare are the obvious things. The cancelling of primary elections in Ohio are concerning to me, but I'm not getting alarmist about it.

Had an interesting thought at the grocery store tonight. Read this with the sarcastic tone you'd expect from me: "Oh no. I only have one brand of almond milk to choose from?!"

How much fear of hardship is actually just driven by less luxury?
I'm thinking about bigger picture than things like elections, but your observation about "only one kind of almond milk!" definitely touches on it.
 
I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why the people on the hardcore environmentalist scene aren't elated about this turn of events. This pandemic will do more to straighten out pollution, overpopulation and extreme resource consumption than any policy controlled by a government that they could have dreamed up. Logically this demographic should be dancing in the streets.

Maybe most people are no Sociopaths, and even most of those who can see poitives in what is happening consider the human tragedy and loss of life nothing to be elated about or dance in the street ?
 
Maybe most people are no Sociopaths, and even most of those who can see poitives in what is happening consider the human tragedy and loss of life nothing to be elated about or dance in the street ?
Sorry, I've had too many conversations with this crowd to buy that. They're all for mass abortions, enforced sterilizations, governmental controls akin to China "for the good of mother Earth" etc, so it isn't respect for human life that keeps them from considering the upside. Rather, it's fear for their own skins. The irony is that this will have a massive positive effect on the planet and it's overall health. I'd just have some respect for the environmentalists for a change if they would put their money where their mouths were.
 
Sorry, I've had too many conversations with this crowd to buy that. They're all for mass abortions, enforced sterilizations, governmental controls akin to China "for the good of mother Earth" etc, so it isn't respect for human life that keeps them from considering the upside. Rather, it's fear for their own skins. The irony is that this will have a massive positive effect on the planet and it's overall health. I'd just have some respect for the environmentalists for a change if they would put their money where their mouths were.

No, you have never had any such conversation. Except in your own head.
 
Aside from the shortage of testing kits in America that a few of our European friends love to gloat about, I wonder just how widespread and available mass quantities of masks were throughout Europe? Setting aside the fact that from this forum you'd think that they weren't dealing with their own calamities and lack of preparedness for a pandemic the likes of which nobody on Earth has ever been forced to cope with, you'd get the impression that there were tests available for every citizen in everyone of their own countries from day one. Gotta love that score keeping.

At any rate, it seems like the Trump admin rolling back the unhelpful regulations that stood in between us and getting an effective steady supply rolling in and getting the private sector involved has been a solid move, and despite the more dire projections floating around out there I think we'll be as close to getting this under control and beginning the recovery process as anybody. I actually think we'll be leading the charge, but early days yet.

I am going to spell it out for you : none of your "European friends" gloats about lacking of testing . Its just, a growing number of people has become very sadly aware that lack of testing while the infection spreads through your contry -> kills people . If you do not understand how, this Thread is FULL of information about it, and also, with a bit of research, you can find out for yourself . As I explained to you very clearly pages ago, specifically MY pointing out Issues of USA's repsonse was directed at you specifically, to try and make you understand the impacts of these Issue...they actually go far beyond the Borders of the USA .

On the Issue of Masks : Specify what Masks you are talking about . A LOT of people are walking around wearing very much useless Masks in terms of protecting themselves, while the same Masks are of very LIMITED use in protecting others .

If you are looking at actually usefull Masks ( FFp2/FFp3 ), several factors have contributed to shortages being experienced by various Nations now . None the least - I guess that is not too hard to understand - is, that a LOT of THAT Stuff has been going to China, and then the following heavily affected countries . Also, ofc production in China dropping did not help . Also, selfish BULKstocking up of Individuals ( I read people have stocked up on sanitizer, Masks etc. massively in an attempt to enrich themselves by reselling those urgently needed supplies vastly overpriced all over the World, and some countries already have started prosecuting individuals for it ? ) actually HAS contributed to shortages, to the point where manfacturers/distributors/retailers startet to stop selling those to private customers weeks ago in some Countries . European countries, then EU as a whole also BANNED the export of Masks and other PPE ( and that while the whole world screams for them ) during the last 2 weeks . Just because THAT stuff is NOW needed very much urgently HERE, while Options to buy on World Markets diminish dramatically, are probably almost nonexistant by now .

Serious man, really....you are the only one person here who continually comes up with the mention of score keeping. For us others, we share information, which ofc involves talking numbers .
 
Last edited:
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom