General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Morbad]

I am pretty sure Falcon does understand that, and was just clarifying there is no cure against the virus but instead the treatment of symptoms. Do keep in mind many if not most of us here are not native-English speakers, and terminology can differ in our respective languages.

People who understand that it's pneumonia, not the mere presence of coronavirus, that kills, aren't those who could be mislead by imprecise use of language. Other people may well be thrown off by the technically accurate suggestion that oxygen and ventilation can only treat the symptoms of coronavirus, despite it being the best treatment for a severe case of COVID-19 (the disease the virus causes), leading to dangerous confusion.

The number of respirators and/or ICU beds available/taken and prospects for the comings days are part of the daily news in most countries here, how essential they are is not lost on us.

I've seen fairly recent posts on this forum from those this is lost on, and have heard far worse from some of those I've talked to in other venues. People's ability to parse the information they are getting, even if it's not mixed in with nonsense, is not always good.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

The world has too many Carter Burke villians from Aliens running around. Too many Mayors from Jaws.

The Brazilian situation is following that model now, much to the horror of the technically skilled who can see the writing on the wall.

What should we do with leaders who profit from the pandemic, lie their supporters into losing their investments, and fail to prepare their country, causing increased deaths and suffering?

In a just world, a reckoning should follow. But the world has never been just.

 

[Stigbob]

The world has too many Carter Burke villians from Aliens running around. Too many Mayors from Jaws.

The Brazilian situation is following that model now, much to the horror of the technically skilled who can see the writing on the wall.

What should we do with leaders who profit from the pandemic, lie their supporters into losing their investments, and fail to prepare their country, causing increased deaths and suffering?

In a just world, a reckoning should follow. But the world has never been just.

I've got an idea, us key workers can still get out and about and we are sensible about infection control. While everyone else is hiding in their toilet paper forts stockpiling food we can have the revolution without them around to complain.

When they emerge they'll be living in a brave new world.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Just came off my last 16 hr work shift. 10 am here.
Can't sleep, of course.

I feel that I should be contributing more, that I should have pressed Admin to get the ventillators recomissioned, that we could have converted the OR into an infection containment ICU, and maybe saved a few people.

But instead the service wound down. Govt won't use private care units because of costs. The expertise, equipment and skills that are being lost now are simply criminal.
Our Chief is an expert cardiopulmonary man, with 40 years experience. He's out to pasture. We had a whole team, scattering now.

People will die.

The autistic kid is freaking out here. Change is bad for them. Cant cope with restricted social things.

The neighbours have decided that Today is a good time to remodel and they have a whole construction crew of strangers in their place. Demolition in progress.

It is a very restful first day.

 

[jasonbarron]

Its not that big a threat. Boredom is probably the greatest risk right now for the vast majority of us.

I was talking about the aftermath, which we can't really predict at this point. During the months ahead while it's chewing through the biomass, yeah, totally agree on the boredom. It's going to be the most boring summer of most of our lives.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Interesting stuff:

auspice

nextstrain.org

 

[Screemonster]

I've got an idea, us key workers can still get out and about and we are sensible about infection control. While everyone else is hiding in their toilet paper forts stockpiling food we can have the revolution without them around to complain.

When they emerge they'll be living in a brave new world.

Either that or they won't emerge and they'll be living in The Machine Stops.

 

[Stigbob]

I was talking about the aftermath, which we can't really predict at this point. During the months ahead while it's chewing through the biomass, yeah, totally agree on the boredom. It's going to be the most boring summer of most of our lives.

You can still do the great outdoors (UK anyway), and even be friendly to people you meet just don't go in a group share food/drinks and keep a safety gap. Be cautious of things like door handles and you'll be fine, steer clear of anyone coughing upwind. Exercise is worth the risk I'd say, avoid busy tourist stuff go for lonely trails which are better anyway.

I think the aftermath of this will be more financial than anything else. We live with the boom-bust cycle anyway it'll bounce back, always does. Airline travel might be more expensive/restricted in future.

 

[Good Whiskey]

I've got an idea, us key workers can still get out and about and we are sensible about infection control. While everyone else is hiding in their toilet paper forts stockpiling food we can have the revolution without them around to complain.

When they emerge they'll be living in a brave new world.

The real problem for us has been closing shop and then providing support for the temporary layoffs. 300 people from our company alone all claiming benefits simultaneously and under some very strange circumstances. New York is asking people to file their claims on the day of the week that corresponds to a naming system - people with a last name starting with A-F file on Monday, G-N on Tuesday, and so on. In the mean time, we have to deploy reserve payroll funds to help them get through the next week.

The admin work has kept me busy for the past 72 hours and I'll likely be at it all weekend.

 

[Stigbob]

Either that or they won't emerge and they'll be living in The Machine Stops.

Linky for the audio book :

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=Zwftrh6-mF4&feature=emb_title

 

[Stigbob]

The real problem for us has been closing shop and then providing support for the temporary layoffs. 300 people from our company alone all claiming benefits simultaneously and under some very strange circumstances. New York is asking people to file their claims on the day of the week that corresponds to a naming system - people with a last name starting with A-F file on Monday, G-N on Tuesday, and so on. In the mean time, we have to deploy reserve payroll funds to help them get through the next week.

The admin work has kept me busy for the past 72 hours and I'll likely be at it all weekend.

That's bad, firms were going belly up here but now the governments pledged to cover 80% of wages for firms with no business and they've stopped business rates. Don't know how they intend to avoid fraud though.

 

[Han_Zen]

I was talking about the aftermath, which we can't really predict at this point. During the months ahead while it's chewing through the biomass, yeah, totally agree on the boredom. It's going to be the most boring summer of most of our lives.

We will learn nothing. In two years this is all forgotten and we will be just as ill prepaired the next time.
Next time could well be resistant bacteria.

 

[Good Whiskey]

That's bad, firms were going belly up here but now the governments pledged to cover 80% of wages for firms with no business and they've stopped business rates. Don't know how they intend to avoid fraud though.

I have no idea either. And Trump is not helping, as usual. We've had employees ask if the company will cover hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin treatment in the event that they contract Covid-19, and we're like a) No, because there is no methodology for covering a specific treatment, let alone one that has no actual clinical results, and b) Stop listening to the president! Yes, we now live in a weird alternate reality caused by Doc and Marty running over a stray cat with the DeLorean in which Biff Tannen is the president and he won't stop tweeting about random things that have no practical bearing on the situation. It's mind-blowing how utterly amateur this all seems.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

HOCQ and Zithromax is pocket change.

 

[jasonbarron]

I have no idea either. And Trump is not helping, as usual. We've had employees ask if the company will cover hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin treatment in the event that they contract Covid-19, and we're like a) No, because there is no methodology for covering a specific treatment, let alone one that has no actual clinical results, and b) Stop listening to the president! Yes, we now live in a weird alternate reality caused by Doc and Marty running over a stray cat with the DeLorean in which Biff Tannen is the president and he won't stop tweeting about random things that have no practical bearing on the situation. It's mind-blowing how utterly amateur this all seems.

What a load of crap. That's just a combination of Trump derangement Syndrome coupled with a predilection for scape-goatery. Trump is doing a great job, under the circumstances and it would be great see all the leftists in the country actually quit undermining him for a change and start being part of the solution.

 

[Stigbob]

I have no idea either. And Trump is not helping, as usual. We've had employees ask if the company will cover hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin treatment in the event that they contract Covid-19, and we're like a) No, because there is no methodology for covering a specific treatment, let alone one that has no actual clinical results, and b) Stop listening to the president! Yes, we now live in a weird alternate reality caused by Doc and Marty running over a stray cat with the DeLorean in which Biff Tannen is the president and he won't stop tweeting about random things that have no practical bearing on the situation. It's mind-blowing how utterly amateur this all seems.

They are all making it up as they go, in a crisis you need someone who listens to the experts, can make and communicate firm decisions under pressure, is trusted and isn't a self serving parasite in a job way beyond their ability. In the UK we need a Churchill instead we have a lying posh boy with floppy hair and a string of abandoned wives/children and sackings for dishonesty behind him. Perfect Tory party material but not someone you'd ever willingly follow in a crisis, except to make sure he wasn't stealing food.

In the UK one of the reasons firms were declaring bankruptcy was the insurance reply of "Covid-19 wasn't a notifiable disease when you took your policy out so you are not covered". I'd guess the US health insurance reply will be the same there.

 

[Good Whiskey]

HOCQ and Zithromax is pocket change.

That's irrelevant. They're freaking out. Most of them are young, they earn barista wages, and they're worried about themselves and their families. They want advice, and they want to get it from us. We're just not in a position to do so.

What a load of crap. That's just a combination of Trump derangement Syndrome coupled with a predilection for scape-goatery. Trump is doing a great job, under the circumstances and it would be great see all the leftists in the country actually quit undermining him for a change and start being part of the solution.

Oh god, here we go with the leftists and the blah blah blah. Christ, I'm so sick of this mind-numbing partisan idiocy.

For weeks, he claimed it was all under control, and just a silly scare, and it was "locked down". So what did people do? They ignored it, and now we have a real problem. Any reasonable person would have treated this with seriousness from the start, but instead we got the stock market showman who just made things worse. I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative. I just judge things as they go. Between his bluster and his tweets about possible cures and statements about fake websites, it has caused this to be a much more confusing scenario than it had to be. No, the man is not responsible for Covid-19. Yes, he is responsible for just tweeting whatever falls into that vacuous cavity of his. How the party of classical American morality and fiscal conservatism became his, I will never understand.

I love Americans, but holy crap they make some odd choices from time to time.

Anyway, practical things. Funds for people who can't work. Help for the ones that need to claim benefits. So on and so on.

 

[Robert Maynard]

If you could cease and desist with the political discussion that'd be grand.

I'm pretty sure that none of you want to be reply banned or the thread closed.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The last fun idiot theory that did the rounds about azithromycin was it prevented HIV / AIDs. I was on a lads holiday and wondered if I had drunk too much when people started suggesting it.

 

[Good Whiskey]

If you could cease and desist with the political discussion that'd be grand.

I'm pretty sure that none of you want to be reply banned or the thread closed.

I appreciate that Rob, but we're discussing (in Off-Topic) a health crisis that is deeply intertwined with politics. How exactly are we supposed to side-step political portions of an off-topic conversation in an off-topic forum section on a topic that has a political element to it?