General / Off-Topic The safest place
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Nah, you are bang on . I would rephrase it to "Stay alive" though . Positive outlook and all...
Yep, its going to get very expensive for us and our governments for a while I think. Cheap tourism just isn't going to be very high on the priorities list. It'll bounce back but possibly in another form which is why I was talking about a return to the jet-set style airtravel we had a few decades ago (lazily and without explaining properly).
Payroll assistance is already a thing in the UK (as of yesterday) along with proposed help for businesses, employee's, landlords and mortgage owners. They are now talking about temporary blocks on evictions for renters and help for the self employed. It'll probably pan out in the same way both sides of the pond (with different terminology).
It's best to fill re-sealable containers, but the bottom line is that you fill whatever you can. If it get's bad enough people will be drinking from toilet bowls, mud puddles and drainage ditches, even though that's sub-optimal. The best plan is to get away from major city centers and into the country, but that brings it's own rub as the people attempting to do that (in my little worst case scenario I'm hypothesizing) will be the one's that folks in rural areas will need to be on the lookout for: some of these people fleeing the cities will be truly dangerous criminal types, and others will just be desperate people willing to do anything, and both groups could easily decide to resort to desperate measures to ensure their continued survival, namely breaking into country homes to take what they need. This scenario, assuming the government has broken down and there are no "emergency services" to call for help is where the ability to protect yourself and your home with deadly force will be crucial.
@Ian Skippy civilization is predicated upon violence; even if you see no need to resort to violence yourself, your everyday survival, prosperity and well being is ensured by those willing to commit violence on your behalf. It probably won't happen, but if this gets out of hand and governments start collapsing, the people who commit violence so you don't have to think about it will no longer be around to do so, and when that happens those unable to protect themselves will be lambs in a countryside prowling with wolves.
Sry, missed that one . If I read the following article correctly, Chloroquine has not been used widely yet . But large quantities have been ordered from Bayer on 19th of March . Says that health administration in Germany monitors several studies who aim to test the theory of it being helpfull against CoViD -19 .
Gipfel in Rom G-20-Staaten kündigen Methan-Reduzierung an
Auf ihrem bevorstehenden Gipfeltreffen in Rom will die Gruppe der G-20-Staaten - darunter Deutschland - weitere Zusagen im Kampf gegen den Klimawandel machen. In einem Resolutionsentwurf heißt es nach Angaben der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters, die G-20 fühle sich verpflichtet, mit sofortigen...
Also, I am not sure whether people do excpetionally well here . I tend to go with what WHO's Dr. Ryan said : comparably large number of people tested yields higher number of mild cases .
p.s.: looking at numbers changing since 2 days ago, we are accelerating rapidly Going with the numbers provided by worldometers, we have gone from 1 in 440 infected to 1 in 264 infected dieing to CoViD -19 . 2 days...
I also think there still is some misunderstanding in terms of how Germany reports # of dead . It is not about people dieing at home or not . It is about whether you have been tested positive for the Virus, then diagnosed with CoViD - 19, then died to that . That is what I think Germany reports as dead .
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In the small town Gotha (46k Pop, Germany), folks recently broke into several houses.
The loot... Money? Computers? Jewelry?
Nope.
Toilet Paper, a bottle of wine and a glass of beetroot
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Although funny, it reminded me that things can and will go downhill quite fast - and rapidly stop being funny.
I still got a few pieces of steel around, guess I'll have to keep those a tad closer in the foreseeable future. You never know, should help de-escalate things if needed.
In the small town Gotha (46k Pop, Germany), folks recently broke into several houses.
The loot... Money? Computers? Jewelry?
Nope.
Toilet Paper, a bottle of wine and a glass of beetroot
PS.
Although funny, it reminded me that things can and will go downhill quite fast - and rapidly stop being funny.
I still got a few pieces of steel around, guess I'll have to keep those a tad closer in the foreseeable future. You never know, should help de-escalate things if needed.
Oh, I am not disputing any of that.
Thing is that there are legion of hypothetical future threats; some more probably than others, and some are easier to prepare for than others. I have no illusion of being able to shield or protect myself from all possible harm and eventualities, so it all comes down to how much risk you are comfortable with. And I can live with the understanding that if society completely breaks down and gangs are roaming the streets of Mechelen that I'll be a in a tough spot. But even in the unlikely event of a complete societal breakdown I would still not be primarily concerned with chainsaw-wielding maniacs coming for my canned beans, but more for things like that massive and pretty dated nuclear power plan ten miles from my home, the complete absence of any local food production and so on. Lets face it: if something like that would happen, I am simply screwed. Same as with much more boring but infinitely more probably events like getting cancer or being hit involved in a traffic accident.So I will do some very basic preparatory stuff: I stay fit, have some supplies, know first aid and such. If that is not enough, c'est la vie. I am also not responsible for anyone, so that makes it all a bit easier.
Yeah, being responsible for only one's self would be a lot easier. With everything going on, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and the weight of knowing that I'm all that stands between the world and the welfare of my children comes down pretty heavily on me.Oh, I am not disputing any of that.
So I will do some very basic preparatory stuff: I stay fit, have some supplies, know first aid and such. If that is not enough, c'est la vie. I am also not responsible for anyone, so that makes it all a bit easier.
This is great news for the health of our planet.
And this will allow us to think about a new mode of production / consumption with a minimum of pollution.
You watch too much of Sergio Leone's films.
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As someone without access to firearms, my options are somewhat limited. And I guarantee when I start waving a claw hammer round, there will be two of the idiots with claw hammers themselves.
Doesn't mean I have any qualms after the initial period to fight back though.
Like you say, beggars can't be choosers, and I'd rather have a bath full of stagnant bath water I can cover in celophane and treat when I need to use it, than not have it.
As to the rest I agree. My general opinion though is it's better to go firm for the first 30 or so days, let the initial chaos die down and then make movements. That way it gives you time to assess and plan, ensures you aren't likely to be meeting as many people as you leave the population centres and hopefully a lot of the knuckle heads will have starved to death/murdered each other in that period, or be so emaciated they're not going to cause much issues.
Go by foot, use tracks. paths or rail lines rather than striking out down main roads or obvious routes and travel at night where possible to begin.
In the scenario of total collapse, I have to say, I'd be finding my way to the sea. Soon as I'm out on the water, I'm going to feel a lot safer (it's who I am) and then its a case of waiting for the rebuilding. I think its extremely unlikely even in total collapse, someone won't be rebuilding civilization in some shape or form.
Testify!
I drove for 4 hrs yesterday, then again today, to move my daughter of 21 out of a pretty densely packed Area in Germany to the behind the 7 hills town I live in . The sheer relief of having her within 10mins walking distance to me now...
In times like these, being a male AND father sometimes can feel like a burden too heavy to carry . But : countless others have done it successfully before me .
I will get through this, and take as many with me as I can . So will you .
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A fellow "big picture" guy.This is great news for the health of our planet.
And this will allow us to think about a new mode of production / consumption with a minimum of pollution.
You watch too much of Sergio Leone's films.
There's no doubt that this will have the side effect of being great for the health of the planet in terms of emissions, over population, pollution and resource consumption, but that's where the socialistic liberal fantasy ends. The days of western civ's affluent navel gazing where we make up problems to be obsessed with because we can afford to are already over, even if the most ferocious zealots can't see it. When the smoke clears and the dust settles ultra liberalism will be struck a death blow and hard headed pragmatism and conservative family values will reign for the next 2-3 decades if not longer. Quite literally, people in western civ will have more important matters to occupy their attention.
This is a game changer.
Fortunately there's some promising new technologies that may advance how virus treatment will be handled going forward.
I've seen reports of one technique that leapfrogs vaccine development and is attempting to isolate and replicate effective antibodies for direct injection.
If proven effective, it will be particularly helpful for those with weakened immune response systems as it won't depend on the host producing it's own antibodies.
There are now more resources than ever before competing to develop new treatments that will work in any virus outbreak.
Fortunately there's some promising new technologies that may advance how virus treatment will be handled going forward.
I've seen reports of one technique that leapfrogs vaccine development and is attempting to isolate and replicate effective antibodies for direct injection.
If proven effective, it will be particularly helpful for those with weakened immune response systems as it won't depend on the host producing it's own antibodies.
There are now more resources than ever before competing to develop new treatments that will work in any virus outbreak.
Source(s) ?
Also, it would be SO much better if they all collaborated instead of competed...
A good post here.
I particularly like this sentence : "When the smoke clears and the dust settles ultra liberalism will be struck a death blow"
That's where the leadership in Washington is really starting to rev up. Between sweeping aside federal regulations, bringing in the private sector and harnessing the mighty engine of our economy, we're getting closer all the time to finding solutions. Hopefully my "worst case" question will never need to be answered!
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For months, the community is looking forward "The New Era".
Well maybe we will have the cheese AND the dessert.
Well maybe we will have the cheese AND the dessert.
Brings up a question I haven't thought of before now. Has Frontier released any announcements on how this is effecting their plans? I imagine that lots of schedules in the electronic entertainment industry are slipping big time.For months, the community is looking forward "The New Era".
Well maybe we will have the cheese AND the dessert.
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