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Looking at the Twitter stuff, it mostly seems to be random Trump nutjobs that you'll get railing against anyone or anything they don't agree with. Wouldn't surprise me if there were some definable groups chipping in, but the reports do seem a bit sensationalized. At this point most of the original #FauciFraud stuff has been overwhelmed by retweets bashing the few trying to perpetuate the idea that Fauci is a fraud or working to undermine anything other than misinformation, and inadvertently raising the profile of unfounded fringe opinions.
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I agree with morbad's analysis. Trying to spin something out of that and connecting it to unspecified "alt right groups" is disingenuous.
Dr. Faucci is arguably one of the most critical people in the world right now, and people of such import are often given security details.
The only real, factual attacks on Dr faucci are the media doing everything in their power to drive a wedge between him and POTUS.
Dr. Faucci is arguably one of the most critical people in the world right now, and people of such import are often given security details.
The only real, factual attacks on Dr faucci are the media doing everything in their power to drive a wedge between him and POTUS.
Dr. Rauolt's trial and his claims, while promising, are rightly controversial and not at all what would be considered robust.
There isn't enough evidence as to the effectiveness to be broadly distributing these drugs for COVID-19 treatment, and the Italian position sounds like one of (understandable) desperation. This is especially the case with Azithromycin, which is an antibiotic whose mechanism of action as a treatment of COVID-19 are far more dubious.
Big Pharma isn't holding back broad deployment, a fundamental lack of data regarding these experimental treatments is.
The name of this 'most critical' person is Fauci . Anyway, I am sure there is nothing odd about any of this and it is just the lamestream media attacking the president again or something. Carry on.
Add to that that this specific combination is known to potentially cause arrhythmia and lead to a heart attack, so may not be the kind of drug you want to give to untrained people in despair without medical supervision in the first place. Of course, common sense dictates that if 'Big Pharma' would refuse to give it away because they want to earn money, they'd at least sell it to the people. Then again, our pile of conspiracy theories could always use a new one.
Today's harvest:
1) Big pharma tries to profit from crisis by not selling unproven and potentially dangerous medicine to desperate people.
2) The US department of justice is working with the lamestream media to undermine the president by spreading a hoax about threats against Fauci.
Lets see how much we can add today!
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Misspelling whilst sitting on the can tapping out a quick rebuttal (pun?) is a minor sin, I think. Nice tactic, though. Unfortunately it doesn't change the point. The media's attempts to drive a wedge are factual, I can't say the same for "alt right groups sending death threats." Also, nice to see a return to your regularly scheduled programming with that latest post. I appreciate consistency.
Is Iceland’s coronavirus testing showing that 50% of cases have no symptoms?
Several large media outlets have been stating that one of the findings emerging from Iceland’s coronavirus screening of the general population is that around 50% of individuals infected with the virus have no symptoms. The screenings of the general population have been carried out by...
www.icelandreview.com
The caveat is they show now symptoms yet, and that many of them are in the early stages. Also, the large scale tests so far only show a prevalence of <1%, meaning it is still very early days there compared with the +-10% in Belgium, which seems to support that (10,000 tests, 90 positives).
Yeah, just handing this stuff out to general public is probably a recipe for disaster, even if it turns out to be an effective treatment. People will gobble up all that's made available, creating or exacerbating shortages, and many will take them without reason and/or incorrectly. The potential for overdoses and/or side-effects doing more harm than good is very real, while the effectiveness of Azithromycin and related antibiotics as antibiotics would surely decline more rapidly due to widespread overuse.
I don't think anyone here seriously doubts there were threats against Fauci, or even that increased security is a good idea. Anyone with any public profile at all is going to get threats, some of them legitimate ones. It doesn't have to be a hoax to be disproportionately reported or not particularly news worthy.
I doubt anyone will listen to it, but interestingly Dan Carlin has finally got back to doing podcasts on current events.
His take on the medias partisanship coverage of Corona virus is as always on the nose.
To quote the man himself:
"This corona virus pandemic we're going through here is reminding us that our neighbour with the different political belief really is a pretty good guy when you need each one anothers help; and it also starts to look pretty pathetic what we fight over."
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His take on the medias partisanship coverage of Corona virus is as always on the nose.
To quote the man himself:
"This corona virus pandemic we're going through here is reminding us that our neighbour with the different political belief really is a pretty good guy when you need each one anothers help; and it also starts to look pretty pathetic what we fight over."
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Is Iceland’s coronavirus testing showing that 50% of cases have no symptoms?
Several large media outlets have been stating that one of the findings emerging from Iceland’s coronavirus screening of the general population is that around 50% of individuals infected with the virus have no symptoms. The screenings of the general population have been carried out by...
The caveat is they show now symptoms yet, and that many of them are in the early stages. Also, the large scale tests so far only show a prevalence of <1%, meaning it is still very early days there compared with the +-10% in Belgium, which seems to support that (10,000 tests, 90 positives).
The inclination of even media outlets to conveniently "forget" well documented facts about SARS - CoV -2 infection - like wildly vaying incubation time between 2 and 14 days - really does the public no good .
And once again I find myself in agreement. Too bad you have me on "ignore" so that you wind up missing out on all of it.
Breaking news: the media has done the public no good!
No symptoms or very long incubation are both equally bad. It means the testing done in most of Europe is not effective at all.Is Iceland’s coronavirus testing showing that 50% of cases have no symptoms?
Several large media outlets have been stating that one of the findings emerging from Iceland’s coronavirus screening of the general population is that around 50% of individuals infected with the virus have no symptoms. The screenings of the general population have been carried out by...
The caveat is they show now symptoms yet, and that many of them are in the early stages. Also, the large scale tests so far only show a prevalence of <1%, meaning it is still very early days there compared with the +-10% in Belgium, which seems to support that (10,000 tests, 90 positives).
You are forgetting/ignoring a few really important things . Amongst them the following : Statisitically, about 80% of these cases will self resolve . 20% will require medical care . 10% of these will need ICU care ( please correct if wrong, or inaccurate ) .
I am really wondering how you are getting to your above conlcusion, especially as the topic has been discussed in here very extensively, several times, and the necessity as well as the benefits resulting from extensive testing have been laid out several times, by various people .
Also, if testing would not be effective at all, how would that be limited to a continent, or geographical reason ?
That means sailing 1,000 km of the Mississippi River first...Yowie!Just buy a sail boat and cruise into Chaguaramas. You will assimilate quickly.
I'm only talking about spreading. Not how the disease evolves. If we don't start testing more people without symptoms, we will not get the statistical data needed to determine what is effective and what is not.
This is ok for now. We can lock down everything. We are however going to stuggle with this for many more months. Demands to open up will come. At that time we ill need accurate data. Not just data from those with symptoms. If not, we will make bad choices when the wallet is empty.
I bet I have, already. I was ill in January and February.
Well, welcome to another Problem the world faces in fighting the Pandemic . It would be preferrable to simply test everyone, everywhere .
Right .
Alas, there is a limited volume of tests available at any given moment . There also are limited laboratory capacities . Logistics also play a part .
So, you, as an epidemiologist, get hit with a Pandemic, and know the 3 mentioned above .
What is YOUR testing Strategy ?
Oh, forgot to mention that with the constant increase # of PCR test shipped out, and Nations increasing laboratory capacity to get results...it was I think about a week ago when I first heard mention of some of the chemicals needed for obtaining results are...wait for it...starting to run short .
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