General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Patrick_68000]

1169 dead in 24 hours in the United States

As I said a short time ago, I would not be surprised if the daily balance soon reaches 1500 - 2000 deaths in this country

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[Synkreto]

What a perfect bit of jackassery. Nobody figured this would be fixed over night. Lose the snide, gloating anti-America obsession for a change and focus on the calamity befalling your own nation. The last time I checked there was plenty of misery and suffering to go around.

Nah. People just figured it would be less severe than the flu, go magically away, and generally not be a reason to do any kind of containment and migitation measures, 'cos "economy" .

 

[Han_Zen]

Got contacted by an engineering firm.

They want me to supply design tech specs and product safety supervision for a new compact ventillator design they want to manufacture for South America. Potentially lucrative. They have never built any medical devices before.

(Edit: in the past, I did invent a simple mechanical surgical instrument, which might be why they called)

Not biting.
Passed them onto a Pulmonologist.

I'm not going to be responsible when there's a power surge in Sao Paulo, and the pressure spikes, and 200 people get lung blow outs. No sir. I don't want to suddenly be doing deals with Maduro in Venezuela for anything remotely pharmaceutical either.

Probably smart. A Norwegian medical equiment supplier are making 1000 of these emergancy ventilators.

Spoiler: Ventilator

They have received tons of criticism from the medical community. It's deemed to hard on the weak lungs of the patients and lacks automatic pressure control and advanced cycle setup.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Even in the worst global health crisis of the past 100 years, the United States is behaving like resource looters from other countries.

Indeed, France has ordered hundreds of millions of masks from China. Very recently a delivery of 5-10 million masks intended for France under a contract order, was stolen by the United States.

The specialty of the United States (against the France and without a doubt for many other countries) ?

On the tarmac of a Chinese airport, the Americans arrive in front of the plane which contains the millions of masks and pay 3-4 times the price to fly the orders which belong to the other countries.

Long live capitalism in the law of the jungle, and always a pleasure to have real friends.



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[Synkreto]

Even in the worst global health crisis of the past 100 years, the United States is behaving like resource looters from other countries.

Indeed, France has ordered hundreds of millions of masks from China. Very recently a delivery of 5-10 million masks intended for France under a contract order, was stolen by the United States.

The specialty of the United States (against the France and without a doubt for many other countries) ?

On the tarmac of a Chinese airport, the Americans arrive in front of the plane which contains the millions of masks and pay 3-4 times the price to fly the orders which belong to the other countries.

Long live capitalism in the law of the jungle, and always a pleasure to have real friends.



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Source ?

 

[Patrick_68000]

Source ?

The press and the ministers of the government of France.

 

[Synkreto]

The press and the ministers of the government of France.

What I meant is, can you provide a Link to a reliable news outlet ? Anything to increase tensions between otherwise allied Countries ( NATO ) at the moment really is pretty dangreous, though, IF something like that happens, it needs to be looked at . It is just, simply textposting something like this on a Forum does not help, really .

Also, IF something like what you describe really happens : is it not the supplier's fault, for breaking the contract with France ?

 

[Morbad]

I'm not going to be responsible when there's a power surge in Sao Paulo, and the pressure spikes, and 200 people get lung blow outs.

Clearly defined input power specs and/or an integrated surge suppressor, power conditioner, or UPS.

If only science was neutral, no biased information, however 9 out of 10 times they push an agenda, just like the so called news. People get suspicious, so maybe science should go back to the basics, science.

Science is simply application of scientific method and the knowledge accumulated through such application. The scientific method is not biased, but if one's conclusions cannot be supported by science, then one is.

Whole lot of pseudoscience out there, but spending a few minutes of due diligence and seeing what the expert consensus actually is shouldn't be too hard.

They have received tons of criticism from the medical community. It's deemed to hard on the weak lungs of the patients and lacks automatic pressure control and advanced cycle setup.

Given how dire the survival rate of COVID-19 is after one is placed on a ventilator for it, and how long the ventilators are typically required, making sure the ventilators are as gentle as practical would seem to be a rational priority.

Source ?

USA Steals 60 Million Face Masks from France | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

The US bought out a planeload of Chinese-made face masks right on the tarmac just as the haul of the much needed protective gear was about to set off for

www.eutimes.net

US official denies claim that Americans buying up France's masks

A senior US official on Thursday rejected allegations from French politicians that Americans have been snapping up Chinese masks previously ordered by France during the coronavirus crisis, calling the stories "completely false." The leader of the Ile-de-France region, which includes Paris...

news.yahoo.com

Story sounds plausible, but I have no idea if it's actually true, and if it is true, it sounds like an issue with the supplier failing to honor a contract.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Also, IF something like you describe really happens : is it not the Chinese fault, for breaking the contract with France ?

This does not excuse the disgusting behavior of the United States. And this situation has also been confirmed by several presidents of regions in France.

In addition, as with their habits, the Americans arrive with suitcases filled with dollars and pay cash.

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[Patrick_68000]

Germany begins to be seriously affected with 1017 dead and 80,000 cases of contamination.

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[Synkreto]

Looking good ( in comparison...).

Remember, what we are seeing now has been caused weeks ago . Put the total Cases Graph on worldometers to log, and you will see that it pretty much looks like it is slowing down, much . Also, daily numbers of new cases have not seen a new highest peak for about a week now .

Worldometers, as of April 3d, 2020, 09:06 UCT +1:

Coronavirus Cases : 84.794
Active Cases : 61.247
Serious/Critical : 3,936 (6%)

Cases with an outcome : 23.547
Recovered/discharged : 22.440 (95%)
DEATHS : 1.107 (5%)

 

[Ian Skippy]

If only science was neutral, no biased information, however 9 out of 10 times they push an agenda, just like the so called news. People get suspicious, so maybe science should go back to the basics, science.

Can you tell me which journals you read/follow, and what makes you think 9/10 of them are biased? Or do you mean 9/10 people you hear talk about science are biased?

Because those two are very different...

 

[Patrick_68000]

Lack of resources, doctors, confinement impossible to enforce ... The arrival of the coronavirus on the African continent is of great concern and could have disastrous consequences for the whole world.



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[lysan]

Can you tell me which journals you read/follow, and what makes you think 9/10 of them are biased? Or do you mean 9/10 people you hear talk about science are biased?

Because those two are very different...

Many news outlets are simply not reporting the news, they spin it to support an agenda, left or right it doesn’t matter.

there is a reason why so many people today question the truthfulness of what they are told, simply because they have been lied to for decades.

The world after COVID19 will be a very different place, what kind of place only the future will tell us.

Regarding what I read, I follow many different providers of information, as one should never be narrowed minded.

 

[Han_Zen]

Looking good ( in comparison...).

Remember, what we are seeing now has been caused weeks ago . Put the total Cases Graph on worldometers to log, and you will see that it pretty much looks like it is slowing down, much . Also, daily numbers of new cases have not seen a new highest peak for about a week now .

Worldometers, as of April 3d, 2020, 09:06 UCT +1:

Coronavirus Cases : 84.794
Active Cases : 61.247
Serious/Critical : 3,936 (6%)

Cases with an outcome : 23.547
Recovered/discharged : 22.440 (95%)
DEATHS : 1.107 (5%)

Germany looks pretty good. It's not relay surprising. The general quality of institutions and the discipline of the people is at a higher level than we see in most of continental Europe.

How do Germany log recovered/discharged? Are these people tested or is it an estimate?

In Norway we don't log recoveries at all. They are at least not reported. We see that numbers of hospitalised, ICU cases and ventilator patients are constant or slightly dropping, but there are no numbers available.

 

[Synkreto]

Germany looks pretty good. It's not relay surprising. The general quality of institutions and the discipline of the people is at a higher level than we see in most of continental Europe.

How do Germany log recovered/discharged? Are these people tested or is it an estimate?

In Norway we don't log recoveries at all. They are at least not reported. We see that numbers of hospitalised, ICU cases and ventilator patients are constant or slightly dropping, but there are no numbers available.

Discharged/recovered afaik are an estimate ( there is no mandate to report them ). I am going to see whether I find anymore information as to how that estimate comes to be ( off the top of my head : probably looking at people hospitalized/low ICU/high ICU, but again, not sure ) .

 

[Ian Skippy]

Many news outlets are simply not reporting the news, they spin it to support an agenda, left or right it doesn’t matter.

there is a reason why so many people today question the truthfulness of what they are told, simply because they have been lied to for decades.

The world after COVID19 will be a very different place, what kind of place only the future will tell us.

Regarding what I read, I follow many different providers of information, as one should never be narrowed minded.

Sure, but news outlets aren't science. Science doesn't push an agenda, but people who push an agenda often abuse science to do so.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Okay, time for more numbers. As we all know corona stats such as active cases and mortality are far from perfect, to say the least, so lets see if we can find some other perspective. In the Netherlands we have the government agency called CBS: Central Bureau for Statistics. Yes, it is about as boring as it sounds. One of the many, many, many stats they collect and publish is mortality. Last year, ~152,000 people died in the Netherlands. That is about 2900 per week. CBS just published that in the week of 16-22 of March 3575 people died in total, almost 600 more than the average (and that week is normally not a particular outlier in any given year). That is an increase of ~23%. Officially we only had 179 corona-related fatalities in total up until 23rd march, of which ~150 were in that week.

While there are some always some fluctuations, this does reflect what I've been hearing from former colleagues in geriatrics: actual number of casualties is far higher than currently known, and this data would suggest approximately 600/150=4x as much. This also matches earlier, more anecdotal, reports from Italy suggesting actual number of casualties is 3-4x higher than the official numbers.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

There's just one problem in Germany :

According to data gathered by Newspapers, some 2300 medical staff has been infected already and a considerable number is under quarantine. Actual number is likely higher.
( Google Translated Article )

As the common medical protective gear is insufficient against this high-grade Biohazard when in repeated/prolonged close contact with very high contamination levels - but no better material is available in the Hospitals and even the conventional FFP3 gear extremely difficult to restock - that's a trend that'll continue I'm afraid.

I do wonder why noone (AFAIK) has started issuing reusable lightweight protective masks (full face) with Particle Filters (i.e. P3 Standard).
Those aren't too stressful to wear and provide vastly improved protection, while still allowing normal work with a large/unobstructed field of view and protecting the entire face.
(I've only ever seen some staff i.e. handling bodies or from the military assisting wearing their (heavyweight) NBC masks)

I can only assume such gear is out of stock like any other.

 

[Ian Skippy]

AFAIK the filters are the issue, there is no way to get the quantity needed.