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Actually authorities starting to lean on recommending it based on the psychological effects. Probably it makes everyone more aware of the situation and helps respecting all other measures (keeping distance, etc.).
 
Indeed, even in times of confinement, there are still several work chains that are required to continue working, even if just to keep people alive at home.

True. The odd thing about this is that absolutely nobody denies this. To my knowledge not a single country on the planet has at any time proposed any plan that did not include the concept of 'essential workers' throughout this crisis. Jason repeatedly railed against 'academia', but every single scientific advisory board has at every given time always included this concept, for all the obvious and self-evident reasons. I have no clue who the 'other side' in this debate could possibly be. Is there a movement in Portugal that denies the concept or importance of essential workers for example? Maybe I am missing something, but there just doesn't seem to be any kind of debate or discussion about this in Europe about this?
 
True. The odd thing about this is that absolutely nobody denies this. To my knowledge not a single country on the planet has at any time proposed any plan that did not include the concept of 'essential workers' throughout this crisis. Jason repeatedly railed against 'academia', but every single scientific advisory board has at every given time always included this concept, for all the obvious and self-evident reasons. I have no clue who the 'other side' in this debate could possibly be. Is there a movement in Portugal that denies the concept or importance of essential workers for example? Maybe I am missing something, but there just doesn't seem to be any kind of debate or discussion about this in Europe about this?

It was just an observation on my part, I'm not refuting or debating anyone with this. It is possible, even in the internet, to simply talk about stuff without necessarily being
confrontational, you know? ;)

I too find it fascinating when we start "pulling the rope" to see how many different people and activities are necessary to provide for things that at a first glance seem simple. Maybe that's why I enjoy classic city builders / colonization-like games so much. :)
 
Finally got through to the engineering team with the coppercoat info. One guy has samples of copper oxide and resin for boat hulls. Was looking at ICU surface treatment to reduce the germ load on fomites there.

They are doing an online meeting on the mask design tonight. Sent them the microbiology studies.

Happy for the new info, and are sending me a sample of their prototype which has some kind of "gel layer"? IDK.

At least I'm getting a mask out of it. LOL.
Looks like the pros are well past the "let's try coffee filters" stage, and thank heavens they seem ready to move soon.
 
It was just an observation on my part, I'm not refuting or debating anyone with this. It is possible, even in the internet, to simply talk about stuff without necessarily being
confrontational, you know? ;)

I too find it fascinating when we start "pulling the rope" to see how many different people and activities are necessary to provide for things that at a first glance seem simple. Maybe that's why I enjoy classic city builders / colonization-like games so much. :)

Not trying to be confrontation, just confused about it. :) The more specific discussions regarding who exactly is an essential worker had a bit of an early 'trial' the last two years in both the Netherland and Belgium. Retirement age used to be at 65 and has been moved to 67, with further changes very likely. While that makes perfect sense in general, there was push-back from certain sectors, claiming that for them it was physically impossible to keep doing the job until that age. The problem started when the government conceded that point and made an exception for 'demanding work'. As you can expect half the country showed up arguing their job in particular is far harder and more demanding than people assumed. The same issue then (where exactly do you draw the line between 'demanding' and 'not demanding' work?) resurfaced now: who is just essential enough to be classified as such, and who is not-essential?
 
Feel free the rest for as long as you like. When you contribute nothing to society that's a luxury you can afford...as long as people such as myself keep the trains all running time.
In France we are a civilized nation.

When a person is sick, she is treated until complete recovery and she is paid without working while she is sick.

And as no one is irreplaceable, no one is indispensable (like you), others take over..

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Indeed, even in times of confinement, there are still several work chains that are required to continue working, even if just to keep people alive at home. Even things that may, at first glance, seem unnecessary. People would be amazed to know just how many different jobs are required to keep working just so we can receive our groceries at home during the quarantine, from supermarket workers all the way to auto repair shops.
Now add other entire job chains that support al lthe stuff that keeps functioning like police, health facilities, banking, state services, veterinareans, pharmacies, funeral homes, all kinds of home delivery, power, water supply, gas supply, I would have to continue for a long time, as the list is huge.
Obviously there are strategic economic sectors which must continue for the survival of a country.

But these people must be ultra protected, receive large bonuses of money, diverse and varied benefits.

In no case, as some people think here, whatever the human cost. This reasoning, "whatever the human cost", is an exploitative and slavery mentality and a dangerous and totalitarian reasoning.

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There is considerable marine activity around Trinidad, suggesting a US military Op vs Venezuela over last few days, BTW.

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This is just as ridiculous a theory as last year when the Morning Star (terrible socialist rag in the UK) was declaring last year we were about to invade Venezuela because RFA Mounts Bay was in the caribbean (when she was there for disasted relief duties)
 
There is considerable marine activity around Trinidad, suggesting a US military Op vs Venezuela over last few days, BTW.

Of course there is.

Firstly, US/Dutch/UK forces are helping deal with the migrant crisis down there.

They're also continuing their normal taskings with counternarcotic ops

And ramping up for the disaster relief period.

Oh, and of course, preparing to deal with Corona when it hits the islands.
 
Eyeroll

This is just as ridiculous a theory as last year when the Morning Star (terrible socialist rag in the UK) was declaring last year we were about to invade Venezuela because RFA Mounts Bay was in the caribbean (when she was there for disasted relief duties)

Of course there is.

Firstly, US/Dutch/UK forces are helping deal with the migrant crisis down there.

They're also continuing their normal taskings with counternarcotic ops

And ramping up for the disaster relief period.

Oh, and of course, preparing to deal with Corona when it hits the islands.

However I would not be surprised if in the near or far future, the United States invaded Venezuela under humanitarian pretexts, with in ulterior motives the very important reserves of oil.

After all these are the habits of the United States.

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However I would not be surprised if in the near or far future, the United States invaded Venezuela under humanitarian pretexts, with in ulterior motives the very important reserves of oil.

After all these are the habits of the United States.

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You know, we really should invade and take their oil. Then you could finally be correct about something for once.
 
"We have to reopen our country, it cannot go on like this for months and months", said President Donald Trump during a press briefing on Saturday April 4.

"We pay people and here people have to go back to work," he added.

"Sports fans want to go to their baseball, soccer, golf games," he also said.


This guy is crazy ! It is necessary to lock him in an asylum with a strait-jacket.

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300,000 cases recorded in the United States, more than 8,000 deaths according to John Hopkins University.

That will be 308,000 fewer spectators for baseball games, mister Trump.

Yes I know, "Whatever the human cost" ...

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I forgot about the unblemished colonial history of France. My apologies.

It is one of the benefits of living in a country that was once on top of the world and currently has no delusions of grandeur: it is really easy to accept the failures of your own past. Criticizing negative events unfolding in the world is one thing, but there is little incentive over here to pretend the Netherlands or Belgium is morally superior than other places in general terms. Its not easy claiming the moral high ground when you've got Congo or the Apartheid on your résumé...
 
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This is just as ridiculous a theory as last year when the Morning Star (terrible socialist rag in the UK) was declaring last year we were about to invade Venezuela because RFA Mounts Bay was in the caribbean (when she was there for disasted relief duties)

That is an observation of sea activity that is visible from our coastline. It is not theoretical. It is empirical.
 
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