Yep. The economic impacts in your region will far and away have worse negative consequences than the virus itself. Not to put your country down, but it is interesting to me how these countries or regions that have zero noticeable impact on the global economy such as the Canary Islands, or Trinidad or pretty much the entire non western civ portion of the planet, along with the "fly-over" states such as my own in America, are seeing virtually nothing as far as the virus is concerned. It's pretty much just places of industry, and regions where the mortality/infection rates can be dramatically publicized in a way that sends ripples of shock and terror throughout the country. My survival instincts and baloney alarm are still on high alert.more or less yes, flights and boats were canceled from the first days (only the essential ones), tourists were repatriated to their country, everything was closed, including hotels, the hostelry is destroyed ... and here we live from tourism basically, so we It would be good to leave before quarantine .... but seeing the news from Spain now, they are planning to extend it further, until May 12 or 15
but although the coronavirus has not punished us as in other communities, the worst is yet to come, I think this will be one of the saddest summers (June-September) that is remembered in decades, and the unemployment rate will be historic, since that we were from the most affected communities with the most unemployment during the crisis.
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This. I am grateful for the alternatives presented to me, but not proud of them as I didn't create them myself.
Here's another example of why most Americans don't trust anything they see in our main stream media:
www.redstate.com
Add to that the numbers on deaths reported by China have virtually just stopped and it's clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
CNN Brings on Dr. Sanjay Gupta to Hype Chris Cuomo's Chest X-Ray, Ends up Getting Fact-Checked by Actual Radiologists
Chris Cuomo Details His Coronavirus Symptoms CNN continues to live up to its less than stellar repu
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Add to that the numbers on deaths reported by China have virtually just stopped and it's clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
yes, luckily here it did not spread or was contained in time.
You must bear in mind that the Canary Islands are an important tourist center for Spain and Europe, and as a connection for trade, and everything we produce, of course, goes first to the riches of the country (Spain) rather than to their own Canaries, so I fear that the consequences will be more than negative (many of us still think that we are a "colony" of Spain).
But we are islanders and we will be able to take things well, due to the good weather and the quality of life that can be enjoyed here throughout the year.
We have the Canary-Saharan fishing bank, one of the largest fishing banks in the country and in Europe. Due to its historical importance, thousands of operations are carried out here, by air and sea.
Since colonial times, the islands have been used as a stopover for many trips.
Gran Canaria airport is the 6 busiest in Spain.
A couple of years ago the US used our air base (Gando,Gran Canaria) for military anti-piracy operations in Africa, I think remember.
Throughout the summer it was fun to see a lot of American military helicopters flying over our palms and beaches, many people joked with him:
Good morning Vietnam!!
Edit: keep keeping you safe, it's important and it's taking effect here, blessings to all americans.
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I think it’s too soon to tell whether the strategy would work and to make a call later would depend on a few countries having the courage of their convictions, rather than crumbling and joining the herd mentality
Yep. I suspected when Chris Cuomo first supposedly caught covid that this was going to be simply an attention seeking ploy and angle for cnn to twist the coverage and directly link themselves with Governor Cuomo. There's a carefully crafted war on the truth going on with CNN leading the charge.Here's another example of why most Americans don't trust anything they see in our main stream media:
CNN Brings on Dr. Sanjay Gupta to Hype Chris Cuomo's Chest X-Ray, Ends up Getting Fact-Checked by Actual Radiologists
Chris Cuomo Details His Coronavirus Symptoms CNN continues to live up to its less than stellar repu
Add to that the numbers on deaths reported by China have virtually just stopped and it's clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
I'm also seeing some reporting that some states are purposely inflating death reports due to Caronavirus in order to get a bigger portion of Federal handouts on the table.
I don't think any of the data being reported can rationally be determined to be accurate.
Coronavirus genomes show New York's COVID-19 outbreak came from Europe months ago
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The concentration of NYC cases are attributable to European travel, unsurprisingly, and started back in February.
Had a wider travel ban been instituted then, the current Capital of Infection might be very different today. But nobody had made the connection because European cases were still submerged below detection threshold, in incubation phase.
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At the time everybody was concerned about spread from Wuhan. We should have been watching Europe too. The US plan failed to block incoming infection not because of the delay, but because it wasn't widespread enough, an issue of Space, not Time.
Had WHO issued a Pandemic alert, more countries would have closed their borders in time. On this forum, we already knew enough to predict it, but it moved faster than we calculated, and much faster than our countries reacted.
Well each country at the start of this was quite different in numbers of ICU beds - we in the UK were well down the table.
This thing is so infectious that if you'd just quarantined the high at risk group then in all likelihood, the hospitals would have been well overrun by now and it would have been completely out of hand with many more people dying and the general breakdown of public services, transport, food supply etc. which is hardly beneficial to the economy and by that point it's far too late to change course.
As it is now they're only just coping. It has nothing to do with courage of convictions just common sense based on observations of what's happened elsewhere then factoring in our very poor preparedness.
Coronavirus genomes show New York's COVID-19 outbreak came from Europe months ago
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
The concentration of NYC cases are attributable to European travel, unsurprisingly, and started back in February.
Had a wider travel ban been instituted then, the current Capital of Infection might be very different today. But nobody had made the connection because European cases were still submerged below detection threshold, in incubation phase.
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At the time everybody was concerned about spread from Wuhan. We should have been watching Europe too. The US plan failed to block incoming infection not because of the delay, but because it wasn't widespread enough, an issue of Space, not Time.
Had WHO issued a Pandemic alert, more countries would have closed their borders in time. On this forum, we already knew enough to predict it, but it moved faster than we calculated, and much faster than our countries reacted.
Yes, looking back it does the WHO were more concerned with not incorrectly calling a pandemic too soon than erring on the side of caution. As soon as they issued the P word things changed here overnight - sooner might have made a difference - obviously with the benefit of hindsight.
I understand what you are saying and I’m not saying you are wrong, however it’s just theory crafting.
Common sense would say we need to stay in isolation until it is completely wiped out because if it’s apparently so virulent one case will set everything in motion again.
It will be interesting to see how the spin doctors will tell us it’s ok to leave our homes again after trying to put the fear of god into everyone for the past month.
Here's another example of why most Americans don't trust anything they see in our main stream media:
CNN Brings on Dr. Sanjay Gupta to Hype Chris Cuomo's Chest X-Ray, Ends up Getting Fact-Checked by Actual Radiologists
Chris Cuomo Details His Coronavirus Symptoms CNN continues to live up to its less than stellar repu
Now here is where it gets interesting. That article claims Gupta 'hyped the x-ray' but was 'fact-checked' on twitter by 'actual radiologists'. Lets contrast this with this:
Maybe I am missing something, but that doesn't seem like hyping at all. That seems like Chris Cuomo was understandably concerned (or panicky and ignorant, as the article claims), and Gupta simply said:"Nah, your fine." Weird.
Beyond that:
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I said it before, I'll say it again: reading biased outlets that try to score points for their respective teams by attacking individual anecdotes is just stupid, and people who do this are just after validation of their feelings and believes with zero interest in truth. It would be cool if segments of the US population could stop seeing this as yet another vehicle for their political sloganeering and start treating it as a medical issue instead. But I have little hope.
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Oh that's easy - "We'll apply the right measures at the right time" a variation of which is being used all over the world by politicians and experts, along with a dose of "based on our unique circumstances which only we have full knowledge of" where needed.
These have the advantage of being literally true in some circumstances but also leave loads of wiggle room for waffle and interpretation as required.
On a side note,the brainless begin to fantasize as "the end" of quarantine approaches.
-In Europe, UEFA wants to end the Champions League competition in June or July,behind closed doors, but the final open to the public.
-In local news, in the Canary Islands, the island's hoteliers association writes a letter to the president of the Spanish football league, offering them to end league games in the islands' stadiums, as there are few infections and to give a way out.
How do these people think that we will stop getting the virus if there is no reliable vaccine or medicine?
I think we are not going to learn anything from this.
-In Europe, UEFA wants to end the Champions League competition in June or July,behind closed doors, but the final open to the public.
-In local news, in the Canary Islands, the island's hoteliers association writes a letter to the president of the Spanish football league, offering them to end league games in the islands' stadiums, as there are few infections and to give a way out.
How do these people think that we will stop getting the virus if there is no reliable vaccine or medicine?
I think we are not going to learn anything from this.
I see where you are getting the "pulse" stuff from, but this paper implying that a pulse is something more than a transient increase in amplitude, which is misleading.
The problem with this is that they wouldn't have been protected if they were the only ones isolating. Many elderly do not live alone and many of those that do are even more dependent on being able to go out and about for their basic needs. Lower risk groups would rapidly become infected and bring home
It's both, and it applies to societies as well as individuals.
What we're seeing now is the consequence of society being unprepared for what should have been a much more mild event, and now having to adapt to the changes wrought by that unpreparedness.
COVID-19 could have been stopped in it's tracks with a swifter containment response, or failing that could have been a virtual non-issue if adequate surplus capacity was worked into health services, rather than letting the norm be running near full capacity (which is most efficient in good times, but not robust). Since neither the first nor second lines of defense held up, we are down to more broad and heavy handed mitigations to messily control spread, and many people are now adapting to working from home, or discovering what it's like to be dependent on expendable sectors of business.
I don't know, my common sense says we need to stay in isolation until the rate at which increasing hospital capacity overtakes a falling infection rate, because immune individuals break links in the chain of infection. With enough dead-ends ('herd immunity'), the infection burns out.
It doesn't need to be completely wiped out for the number of new cases to be readily manageable and in a health care system that has experience with COVID-19 and surplus capacity, the mortality rate will surely be very low. The problem is we are not there yet...we do not have many proven treatment options and in hard hit areas, there isn't the capacity to treat everyone. That will change, but slowing the spread will do a lot to mitigate the damage in the meantime.
This also happens to be why the mitigation efforts most places are adopting are in place.
The risk for some minimum wage hospitality worker (for example) spreading the virus or falling ill and becoming a burden to an already overloaded system themselves exceeds the value of their normal contribution to society. The most economical solution for stuff like this is to pay them to stay the hell home and not make things worse, not push society to return to a semblance of normalcy before it's ready to do so.
Of course many right-leaning western governments wouldn't dream of this. Fortunately, I've never had much use for government and when my less well-off friends and family are confronted with the option of continuing to work when it's neither safe for them, nor for the rest of us, or loosing their pitiful incomes, I will insist they quit, and I will put them up for as long as required.
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We can get this stuff here (at 5 times the price ), so I got a roll today. Going to make a formed face seal with it, and hot glue it to the edge of a top chunk of soda bottle. That will give a bespoke airtight seal, and form the mask shape.
Extruded Aluminium tubing:
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The various diameters make it possible to punch right sized holes in the plastic for valves. Just heat it and poke the hole. The screw cap and threaded nose of the soda bottles will fit airtight, and take the valve.
Other doctors are cobbling together their own kit.
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We can get this stuff here (at 5 times the price ), so I got a roll today. Going to make a formed face seal with it, and hot glue it to the edge of a top chunk of soda bottle. That will give a bespoke airtight seal, and form the mask shape.
Extruded Aluminium tubing:
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The various diameters make it possible to punch right sized holes in the plastic for valves. Just heat it and poke the hole. The screw cap and threaded nose of the soda bottles will fit airtight, and take the valve.
Other doctors are cobbling together their own kit.
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A few numbers that may show why the herd immunity approach isn’t politically viable.
To obtain herd immunity, 60-80% of a population needs to be immune.
Best estimate so far on Covid-19 mortality rate is 0.66%
Because I’m an optimist, I will use 60% and 0.5%.
In 1 million people, we need 600,000 infected. Of these, 3000 will die.
I Norway with 5 million people, that means 15,000 dead.
In a normal year, 41,000 people die. That is over 35% Increase. Some of the 15,000 would have died anyway, but 30% over a normal year does not look good.
Those 15,000 Norwegians would be 900,000 Americans or 4.2 million Chinese.
Herd immunity isn’t a realistic goal, even when you are an optimist like me.
To obtain herd immunity, 60-80% of a population needs to be immune.
Best estimate so far on Covid-19 mortality rate is 0.66%
Because I’m an optimist, I will use 60% and 0.5%.
In 1 million people, we need 600,000 infected. Of these, 3000 will die.
I Norway with 5 million people, that means 15,000 dead.
In a normal year, 41,000 people die. That is over 35% Increase. Some of the 15,000 would have died anyway, but 30% over a normal year does not look good.
Those 15,000 Norwegians would be 900,000 Americans or 4.2 million Chinese.
Herd immunity isn’t a realistic goal, even when you are an optimist like me.
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