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Lol, Apple can get lost and people with 'limited resources' should not buy a $400 phone. Hell, people in general shouldn't spend $400 on a phone. :ROFLMAO:
I agree, I have an old Samsung phone from 2005 and I use it to ... phone, and send and receive SMS.

Not for taking photos, watching videos or making coffee.

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'Better' is about as subjective as a term gets, and what constitutes better is the prime bickering point of politics.
Better laws and better policies are the domain of governments, and we can argue about that until the cows come home. Better health, better conditions and better communication, on the other hand, should be the imperatives of all. And eventually, they will be.
 

Early preprint, not peer reviewed.
Hydroxychloroquine tried in 150 patients. Compared to standard treatment, slightly less got better with it. It did improve the lymphopenia faster, and return C reactive protein to normal faster.

No major side effects identified in the cohort, at the given dose.

Looks like a wash. It didn't work after completion of this study, but did seem to affect the immune system in some positive ways. That is far short of measurable practical benefit needed to prescribe it.

So far it has not been positive for HOCQ, and severe side effects resulting in a higher death rate were reported previously. Disappointing overall, despite the early lab work.

So would I use it? On my own family?
Nope.
If new evidence turns up, I could change that position. But given existing data, we can predict that it has no strong benefit or that would have showed up by now, and we have established increased risk of death.

Changing instructions on the home package to Do Not Use. .

Going by the test results always supercedes the theory. That's iron clad.
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In France, The Professor Raoult, who is a authority figure in the international scientific community, proposes the association of the antimalarial, the Hydroxychloroquine, and an antibiotic, the Azithromycin.

"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and effective treatment for Covid-19, with a death rate of 0.5%," says a new once the Professor Raoult. The Marseilles doctor points out that this treatment "avoids complications and eliminates the persistence of the virus and contagiousness in most cases".

However, the hundreds of tests performed were not done according to official medical protocols.

Professor Raoult is controversial.

Tests are underway as part of the European "Discovery" program.

We will see at that time.

2 things heard today on TV :

1) The French President (Macron) has a great admiration for the Professor Raoult.

2) In Marseille, the second largest city in France and Raoult's workplaces, the epidemic has almost completely disappeared.

(Professor Raoult says that the Covid-19 epidemic "is disappearing from Marseille", the ARS (regional health agency) replies that "it is premature to predict the end")

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12,868 dead in the United Kingdom.

The figures published daily by the health authorities only include deaths in hospital of patients tested positive, a method criticized because it does not include deaths in retirement homes and thus mitigates the real impact of the pandemic.

So how many deaths in the UK ?

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Better laws and better policies are the domain of governments, and we can argue about that until the cows come home. Better health, better conditions and better communication, on the other hand, should be the imperatives of all. And eventually, they will be.

There are those amongst humanity who doubt/dsipute the necessity of government ( I am aware it is also a question of defintion.. XD.), it's justification(s) as well as its process ( well, multitude of processe actually I think ) of how it came and comes to be . I am one of them . Organization of society/societies would be a term making it easier for me to engage in dialogue on the subject . Though I am not sure to be well enough equipped in English for it .
 
Of course they will. And of course they'll be correct. There are a lot of terrible people out there. From everywhere.

We still do the thing, because it's the right thing to do.
I am all for saving human lifes, anytime, as many as possible . It seems to be hardwired somehow . But it comes with reasonable questions, even before the 21st century, even before 7.8 billion people on Earth . Some questions will be applicable to the individual saved, some will be asked looking at the implications of number of humans rising, and rising . And rising .
 
Containment periods may be required until 2022, says Harvard study.

A study by epidemiologists from the American university suggests several years of social distancing, in successive waves, to fight against Covid-19.


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Containment periods may be required until 2022, says Harvard study.

A study by epidemiologists from the American university suggests several years of social distancing, in successive waves, to fight against Covid-19.


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Whatthedickens brought this up a few pages ago - in other words though - and I am entertaining the thought here and there, just to find out what comes out of it : What if the "War" rhetoric is not the best way to look at the Virus, and the Pandemic ? What if we miss out on important aspects of all this by simply declaring it "the enemy" ? Is this really doing justice to phenomena entirely natural, fundamentally devoid of any inherent "goodness" and "badness", simply being what they are, forcing us to face them, understand them, deal with them and the consequences they bring, and more often than not to change our ways ?

Just a game of thoughts . I find it an interesting one at times .
 
What indeed? Perhaps their own health agencies in each nation? At least that way, any cannot be accused of covering for another country. 🤷‍♂️

Which Nation does not have their own "health agencies", whatever they may look like ? What if it is a part of the Problem that Healthcare is not enough understood as "Of the people, for the people, by the people !", and too much "outsourced" to external agencies ?
 
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OK, why an antibiotic, SARS-Cov2 is a virus, not a bacterium. Is Azithromycin a penicillin derivative?
I am not informed enough about it.

I guess once the virus is implanted in the body, the antibiotic is used to prevent the bacterial infections, that could occur without treatment (it seems intracellular infections).

Azithromycin is an antibiotic indicated primarily for the treatment of ENT and lung infections.

From what I read on the net.

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Given their profound corruption that's a big ask.
Why the same people tend to be political adversaries in issue after issue, as Jonathan Haidt (see: https://righteousmind.com ) and Peterson (See: from 4:56
Source: https://youtu.be/UZMIbo_DxJk?t=296
) allude is because polity is fundamentally psychologic in nature (the extremes psychopathologic), with broadly two types of Worldview, and I do not know what Haidt or Peterson would call them but for purposes of illustration I shall call them the tragic v Ideal Worldviews:
The tragic Worldview, that views Man (and thus his civilisations) as flawed limited creatures, and the ideal Worldview that views Man as perfectible.

The ideal worldview is based upon the idea that humans are basically moral and good. They believe there is an ideal solution to every problem, and that compromise is never acceptable. Third party damage or side effects in enacting this solution is merely the smaller price of progressing toward the greater goal of an ideal or better society.
Ultimately they believe that man is morally perfectible. Because of this, they believe that there are some in society (oft themselves) who are further along the path of moral development, have overcome human self-interest and are largely --if not altogether-- immune to the temptations of political power and therefore can act as decision-makers for others.

It has been written that "if you want to test a man's character, give him [political] power."
(and for the life of me I cannot recall the origin, though it could well be in the Book of Proverbs:unsure: )

Conversely, the tragic Worldview is based upon the idea that human nature is essentially unchanging and that man --as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn alluded(1)-- inherently flawed and self-interested, despite our best intentions. Those with the tragic Worldview prefer the systematic processes of the rule of law and experience of tradition (as traditions tend to solve problems that we forget that we have). Compromise and dialog (literally two voices) is essential because there are no ideal solutions, only trade-offs, different selections of suckyness, and choosing the variety of suckyness that you can tolerate. Those with a tragic Worldview vision lean toward empirical evidence and time-tested structures and processes over intervention and personal experience. Ultimately, the tragic Worldview sees value in checks and balances and refuses to accept that all people could put aside their innate self-interest and overcome their intrinsic flaws.

(1) "If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
-- A. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago.
( https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Gulag-...swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1586971712&sr=1-1 )
"The ideal worldview is based upon the idea that humans are basically moral and good". Let's just cherry pick that one line.

I was taught that if I am good, and if I do good things, I make God good. I make the world a better place.

As you can probably tell, I was raised Catholic. That church, for all its remarkable faults as an institution including corruption and a history of violence, has always been a source of compassionate thought. Charity. Humility. Forgiveness. Helpfulness. And above all, thoughtfulness itself. I am no longer a Catholic, because I couldn't reconcile the discoveries I've made about the nature of the universe with any divine model. But I kept all that good stuff, and I'm thankful for it.

I've read so many books and articles and essays in my life that, believe me Jonty, a few links and a Peterson video isn't going to influence or mold me in any way. A quote here and a quote there. Christ, I have so many quotes. Some align. Some conflict. Most are technically valid to some degree, even some of the truly mad stuff, but I've become utterly disinterested in all of it. What really matters to me is whatever I can do that has a positive impact while I'm still here.

Idealism is for the birds. Cynicism is for the miserable. Extremes and rallying cries and tribes - not my cup of tea, sir. This isn't the place for that sort of thing, anyway. This is a discussion on an internet forum about a present pandemic and how it is unfolding.
 
Ha! Yes, though I doubt that he himself will be signing each cheque, .......

He is not allowed to - he is not an authorised signatory - it must be signed by an authorised (non-political) civil servant. They are being sent to people the govmt doesn't have bank details for, the electronic payments went out already I think.
 
That probably explains the clotting disorders with covid patients.

Confirming this -
ACE2 receptors are found in vascular endothelium, vessel walls, according to a histopath report dated back a few years.

Post mortems on victims show wall damage, wall failure with bleeding, and widespread clot formation in lung tissue, together with viral RNA and multinucleated cells with internal virus particles.

It's definitely the ACE2 receptor to blame for the clotting problem. Once vessel walls get exposed to damage, blood only has one trick.
 
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