You can bet your sweet behind that the moment police is reduced to zero, other power factors in any society will fill the vacuum, and not the kind you would like to fill it.Is that the best you can think of?
How about simply educating them?
In fact,I pay so they are there and do their job well.
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Oh, they can spot a Polish or Estonian or [insert country here] car a mile away. Number plates, you see.
It has been done in the past in the USA:
"... In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, New Jersey, the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County. Compton, California, took the same step in 2000, shifting its policing to Los Angeles County. "
source: https://apnews.com/be62ee3dee3094f2ecf8f841a198aadd
Fair point regarding geographic size, but I think you're wrong as the general population (or at the very least a reasonable sized number) in those areas will be wanting their national government to come back in and restore the order/power/services that any secessionist warlord would be unable to provide.
...and the worrying thing is that its almost guaranteed the swing to the other end of the spectrum to correct turning US cities into un-policed hell-holes will be even more severe than the situation they're in now.
But who has spoken of eliminating the police? I'm talking about changing the whole system and re-educating people, and that a system based on intimidation, privilege and fear is not healthy. In Spain there was a fascist dictatorship that ended 40 years ago, today some remnants of these ideologies are still being eliminated / changed in some corps authorities and elements of the state.
Because,you know,nazism and fascism was bad for the world and that.
Unfortunately you cannot do the same with the population, since almost half continue to remember the stupid and cartoonish element that motivated the use of the term Francoism, in the more stale Spanish style (I don't know if this is spelled correctly) to disguise its clearly fascist ideology. , stupid francisco Franco.
But you can change these things little by little, making people understand that there are other alternatives if we want to progress as a species or human beings.
However if for years you only promote hatred, superiority , towards other races, ideologies ... repeating the same rubbish speech, you get what you have,and it's reaching its lowest point.
Just to give you an example, I would like to know how many Americans knew the real C ism(I am not allowed to write the word) or if they have ever even seen one up close. It is hilarious your hatred for something based on repeated lies billions* of times.
Theyve made it clear theyre not wanting to adopt an approach akin to Camden. Their wording includes phrases like:
"We recognize that we don’t have all the answers about what a police-free future looks like, but our community does."
Alarm bells should start ringing.
It seems reasonable, that's what I meant and when I say that I agree with the reforms / restructuring of the institutions, even if it requires the complete elimination, to create other new s, some are rotten to the core. (not having a society without security forces as Lysan suggested, or that I understood)
The old armed police here(called "the greys" too) were completely replaced ( national police now), which was expressly dedicated to repressing
(pioneers in the creation of riot units)in the Spain transition...and had been created by the winning side after civil war ... but the new times always require new changes,although some insist on inheriting old methods if they are not stopped.
We also lived / suffered during years with a terrorist band, but the methods of the police showed that they were not much better than them, quite well known the numerous tortures of prisoners and in some cases even carried to death.
Unfortunately, throughout the world there will always be the hypocrisy of observing violence in only one way, criticizing the violents while teaching and practicing violence.
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It is completely going over your head.
The topic of white privilege is a general term applied to a group. You are looking at a specific instance. They are not the same, because a grain of sand is not a desert.
Your inability to empathise with the problems faced by others is merely part of the problem. It is how racism works.
Whether or not you had a household appliance does not compare to life risk by sudden police action that people live with 24 hours a day. Please do not continue along this path, it is ludicrous..
I'm a nonwhite minority in a black majority country. And I have been arrested for that. Jailed for that.
You simply have no comprehension of the issue. Read some more. Think some more. Your personal suffering grants you the experience needed for empathy.
To provide some context; Leper has been quite vocal in other topics over the years regarding specific psychiatric issues he is challenged with. Taking another perspective is simply not as easy for him as it may be for others. I am not saying this to either attack him or excuse his posts, but it may be worthwhile to keep this in mind.
Hopefully I will never see that day. China is the embodiment of everything I despise in a state. (and by "China" I mean their government, not the chinese people)
What becomes apparent on the last few pages is : it is pretty difficult to talk about "white privilege" with people who never experienced their skin color as something giving them special priviliges, protected them from abuse/injustice, and generally did not make them feel anyhow special at all .
It is also somwhat confusing to me that it seems impossible to talk about racism without being racist .
I am fully aware this is controversial . Just, to me this seems to be a case of disonance .
IF people REALLY do not WANT Racism to be a thing...why making "Race" THE Issue ? Just because "thats what it is, get used to it !" ? It has been said often enough : racial discrimination is not reserved for any kind of people, not even dependent on their skin colour . So someone explain to me please, if racism IS indeed the problem : why is RACE being used as THE defining Factor over, and over again ? Too difficult maybe to hinge the arguments and protests on something else ? Inability to see how arguing against racism with the tools and distinctions of racism is racist ?
So then people come along and say "Hey, why y'all talking about the Race, the skin color of that murdered man so much ? That murder is bad, be it on this or that person, I dont care what colour their skin is"....and the others go like "You do not understand the Problem ! It is SYSTEMIC ! It is the people of this man's skin colour who are in danger !" And the others go "But...people get killed for racist reasons all over the world, all the time...from many kind of different races...THAT is the Problem, is it not ?" and the others go "You still do not understand !" .
Strange...
p.s: to argue against "discrimination" means to argue against one's own brain and psyche . There is NO way most people would get by a single day without discriminating ALL the time...regarding EVERYTHING we perceive .
It is also somwhat confusing to me that it seems impossible to talk about racism without being racist .
I am fully aware this is controversial . Just, to me this seems to be a case of disonance .
IF people REALLY do not WANT Racism to be a thing...why making "Race" THE Issue ? Just because "thats what it is, get used to it !" ? It has been said often enough : racial discrimination is not reserved for any kind of people, not even dependent on their skin colour . So someone explain to me please, if racism IS indeed the problem : why is RACE being used as THE defining Factor over, and over again ? Too difficult maybe to hinge the arguments and protests on something else ? Inability to see how arguing against racism with the tools and distinctions of racism is racist ?
So then people come along and say "Hey, why y'all talking about the Race, the skin color of that murdered man so much ? That murder is bad, be it on this or that person, I dont care what colour their skin is"....and the others go like "You do not understand the Problem ! It is SYSTEMIC ! It is the people of this man's skin colour who are in danger !" And the others go "But...people get killed for racist reasons all over the world, all the time...from many kind of different races...THAT is the Problem, is it not ?" and the others go "You still do not understand !" .
Strange...
p.s: to argue against "discrimination" means to argue against one's own brain and psyche . There is NO way most people would get by a single day without discriminating ALL the time...regarding EVERYTHING we perceive .
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Well you have a perfect example going on right now: the death of George Floyd.
There is no evidence whatsoever that this was a hate crime motivated by racism. The cop already had a history of previous authority abuse. For all we know, he could just be a complete butthole prone to violence.
But the fact that the cop was a white man, and the victim was a black man, immediately turned this into a massive racism incident. No investigation needed, no burden of proof, no court ruling. He was a white cop, so it can't possibly be just murder, it's racism and that's the end of the matter! It's racism, because of the color of his skin. It's racism, because others that look like him were racist before, so he is racist too.
The big irony, is that accusing the cop of racism based only on the color of the involved people's skin, is actually racism.
I heard the first fighter overhead this year. They come off the production line at Lambert Field for their first tests, than get sent to the operational unit. The F-18 was even visible for about 15 seconds. Heard an airliner too.
The city has not burned down yet. Temps are in the nineties (F), and combined with mask wearing, is very tiring. Stores are open. Toilet paper is available, but there are shortages in random areas.
The city has not burned down yet. Temps are in the nineties (F), and combined with mask wearing, is very tiring. Stores are open. Toilet paper is available, but there are shortages in random areas.
Funny, isn' it ? And here are all those people, protesting and arguing against racism...
Somebody tripped over a rifle, as Dad would say. The piled up dry tinder only needed a spark.
No problems with my neighbors. Everyone seems to get along for the day.
But, it's going to be a long, hot summer.
No problems with my neighbors. Everyone seems to get along for the day.
But, it's going to be a long, hot summer.
That would be true if this was an isolated incident, but it is not. The stats are extremely clear: the odds of being killed by a cop as a black man in the US is 1:1000. The odds for a white person are infinitely smaller. The average crime sentence for murdering a black person is also far lower than for murdering a white person. The odds of a police officer actually being criminally prosecuted for abuse versus a black man is far lower than if the victim is a white person. The odds of getting wrongfully convicted are far higher for a black person. You can go on and on, go through piles and piles of stats from decade after decade and the pattern never changes.
"All is fine! You cant definitively prove that this one specific case was racially motivate so lets forget about the piles upon piles of irrefutably evidence of profound and life-destroying institutional racism."
What happened was terrible. That this happens so often is terrible. That there is a clear racial issue in this trend is terrible. All of this is terrible. The protests are not about one incident. Anyone trying to deflect from these obvious glaring evil flaws in society is either kidding themselves, incredibly stupid or simply a bad person.
Here is hoping friendly neighbourhood continues . Is mutual support a thing where you live ?
Thanks for proving my point, your conclusion that this particular murder was a racist hate crime based not on this particular case, but on past social group stats is the perfect example of what I just said.
As for the rest, I'm just going to ignore your lame dodge attempt using insults to make up for arguments.
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The thing about anecdotes is that they are indicators of something underlying them. A trend if you will. It is a bit like points in a coordinate system: If you want to draw the simplest possible line through whatever points are there, you have full freedom to put any straight line through a single point. Add another point, however, and you are stuck with a single straight line as the simplest solution. Add a third line, and it should tell you if your original straight linear function is correct or if another function is needed (call it a test case if you want). After that, any other point added should just tighten up the resulting function. At least as long as we stay in two or three dimensions.
Of course, the issue when it comes to political, cultural and socioeconomic issues, there are a lot of factors. But a trend is a trend. If people keep getting arrested, shot or otherwise attacked for driving/walking/doing anything at all while black. And consistently by white people or police officers, then there is trend, that is likely to be seen as a problem especially by those disadvantaged by the trend. If that doesn't include white people, then it is definitely time to check those privileges.
Here in NZ we are almost back to "normal", after what today should be the 18th day without new cases of COVID, and no active cases either. Good stuff. Supposedly we got Mothered into behaving by our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. Maybe, she certainly knows how to talk to people and get them to do basic stuff like washing their hands. It makes me wonder about the future. My inner vision is of Dallas from Alien going to visit Mother, and having his questions answered in Jacinda's calm Kiwi voice.
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