Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Asp Explorer]

Is that unusual to hire a lead producer at this stage of developpement?
I guess it is but...

It's still early days my dear Virgile. We are at the very earliest stages here, which you would know if you understood game development.

Development didn't really start until 2020, and the pipelines for the New Improved Vandull's only came online in the last week or so. Expect production to really ramp up and punch above it's weight next Tuesday.

 

[Mole HD]

Oh yes, you can, for years already, even. It needs VR, but it's actually in-game:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zp_ZNUa2nQ

Needs VR...Okay then. Pity I can't do it with my Tobii 4C in that case, would save me a few hundred quid buying another VR rig for the pleasure

Back at the ranch...after spending 3 hours farting about with SC's keybinding clusterfarce...I remembered why I've never deleted my user profile folder

As for the magical error that has prevented me loading the game for 3 weeks...I tracked it down to a .xml file inside my profile folder...actionmaps.xml to be precise. No idea how it got corrupted in the first place since all I did was not to play the game for a couple of weeks... but it was. Unfortunately, that was the file with all my keybindings and in game graphic preferences etc...which is why I had to spend 3 hours farting about redoing the whole lot.

Normally that 17KB .xml file would be overwritten by a new patch or a reinstall, but my reluctance to delete my profile settings was what was causing the problem ... all because of an inate hatred of trying to re-bind all my HOTAS buttons and axes in that cat's vomit of a bindings menu, I kept a backup profile settings folder...so when and if I reinstalled or a new patch came out, I simply copied the folder over into my user folder to save the hassle.

 

[CMDR Dizzy]

Is that unusual to hire a lead producer at this stage of developpement?
I guess it is but...

Remember this development done backwards so you hire those roles you need first, last.

 

[Viajero]

They still label it as "pledge" to suggest it's all benevolent and what. Tax is applied - it is a sale though. We need not follow their labelling practices - they give early access to their pre-release builds and unfinished versions.

Formal recognized labels can have very specific consequences though, especially the Early Access one. It seems to be a trigger for game press and community formal reviews for example among many other things. Something CIG probably wants to avoid at this stage.

It is perhaps early access in the sense that you can literally “access” it “early” obviously. But in pretty much any other respect, at least in so far as we can see the rest of the industry using that label (type of product sold, reviews etc), SC is not really Early Access yet.

 

[Virgile]

Remember this development done backwards so you hire those roles you need first, last.

It would be interesting to know if this new lead designer is coming to replace another one.

 

[Viajero]

CIG looking for a lead producer who has shipped at least 2 games.

CIG to date have shipped 0 games.

Yes... i can see why they would like to hire someone who knows how to ship games.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1277645817084403713

Source: https://twitter.com/CloudImperium/status/1277645817084403713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1277645817084403713%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D3898069userid%3D0perpage%3D40pagenumber%3D910


Also, is this more fuel for the speculation that CR has been pushed aside or trying to get out? What is the point of having a lead producer role if everything is still being decided by Chris?

LP: "So, we need to focus on getting this finished now"
CR: "No. More fidelity!"

BTW, wasn’t Erin Roberts job Executive Producer after Alex Mayberry left and he replaced him in that job?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

What is the job of a lead producer ?

CIG terms of use:
Lead Producer=Sacrificial Lamb

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Is that unusual to hire a lead producer at this stage of developpement?
I guess it is but...

Not if its a replacement for someone who has moved on or a new product is being developed.

 

[Tippis]

So, about that notion that some citizens held that being on Amazon's engine would mean all kinds of good things…

Amazon's Crucible Flopped So Hard It's Being Un-Released

In this era of constant updates, games leave closed beta on a regular basis. They don’t often re-enter it. However, like a groundhog emerging to un-see its own shadow, Amazon’s team-based shooter Crucible is no longer a fully released video game.

kotaku.com

 

[Cotic]

Be my guest of course. Why do you think not even CIG calls it Early Access explicitly? Never mind selling it with that description label formally?

Yup. CIG take pains to avoid any sort of label

When 3.0 was coming out CR did an interview with Eurogamer in which he said alpha, beta are just labels than don't apply anymore. He also said 3.0's release would be akin to an early access release. At the same time he wants to claim that Star Citizen's development is no different to released games that receive ongoing patches.

So essentially, "you can't compare our product to industry norms when I don't want you to but you can compare it when I do...."

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Formal recognized labels can be very important though, especially the Early Access one. It is a trigger or game press and community formal reviews among many other things. Something CIG probably wants to avoid at this stage.

It is perhaps early access in the sense that you can literally “access” it “early” obviously. But in pretty much any other respect, at least in so far as we can see the rest of the industry using that label (type of product sold, reviews etc), SC is not really Early Access yet.

Technicalities. They dont want np reviews in its current state. They still sell the unfinished product. I suggest to deny CIG authority over coining what state the thing is in and just say what a buyer geta now.

 

[MTBFritz]

Technicalities. They dont want np reviews in its current state. They still sell the unfinished product. I suggest to deny CIG authority over coining what state the thing is in and just say what a buyer geta now.

Everybody already has his own take on what Star Citizen is...there simply is no agreement. CIG refuses to get nailed on a specific term because thats usually tied to certain progress markers so they are like "early days" in almost everything because they are so far behind the curve but are also trying to play the "we are almost done guys" card at any opportunity to keep people in the seats. Review outlets have to be careful and can only really offer "opinion" pieces because they are waiting for the official statement that makes Star Citizen FFA and subject to "real" finalized verdicts.

As of now, I dont think CIG would welcome the harsh truth in those verdicts so more polishing, more refacturing, more fidelity and the circle keeps turning.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Everybody already has his own take on what Star Citizen is...there simply is no agreement. CIG refuses to get nailed on a specific term because thats usually tied to certain progress markers so they are like "early days" in almost everything because they are so far behind the curve but are also trying to play the "we are almost done guys" card at any opportunity to keep people in the seats. Review outlets have to be careful and can only really offer "opinion" pieces because they are waiting for the official statement that makes Star Citizen FFA and subject to "real" finalized verdicts.

As of now, I dont think CIG would welcome the harsh truth in those verdicts so more polishing, more refacturing, more fidelity and the circle keeps turning.

Once you sell something publicly that is an official statement.

 

[Iron Golem]

Yup. CIG take pains to avoid any sort of label

When 3.0 was coming out CR did an interview with Eurogamer in which he said alpha, beta are just labels than don't apply anymore. He also said 3.0's release would be akin to an early access release. At the same time he wants to claim that Star Citizen's development is no different to released games that receive ongoing patches.

So essentially, "you can't compare our product to industry norms when I don't want you to but you can compare it when I do...."

I daresay if Roberts gets a multi million dollar mansion for selling his game its okay for it to get reviewed.

 

[Skizomeuh]

As of now, I dont think CIG would welcome the harsh truth in those verdicts so more polishing, more refacturing, more fidelity and the circle keeps turning.

From what I see of believers' behaviours, harsh verdicts are CIG's best friends as you can be sure for any critics made, tons of money are thrown into the firepit by the faithfuls. SC must not fail.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

From what I see of believers' behaviours, harsh verdicts are CIG's best friends as you can be sure for any critics made, tons of money are thrown into the firepit by the faithfuls. SC must not fail.

Star Citizen has to be the only game where i've literally seen people say they will give the developer more money because someone was critical of the devs/product.

Spite pledging in actually a thing in SC.

 

[Viajero]

Technicalities. They dont want np reviews in its current state. They still sell the unfinished product. I suggest to deny CIG authority over coining what state the thing is in and just say what a buyer geta now.

I agree with you that the rest of the gaming industry and market, and the gaming press in particular should indeed consider SC as Early Access, but so far it seems that is not the case.

I don’t really think that for example trying to avoid likely very low and damming reviews is a technicality tbh. It is one of several fundamental and structural reasons that CIG is probably considering to avoid stating SC as Early Acces and to avoid the rest of the market and the gaming press to consider it as such.

Early Access releases lead to a number of common consequences in the industry that SC does not seem to be subject to yet.

 

[Skizomeuh]

I agree with you that the rest of the gaming industry and market, and the gaming press in particular should indeed consider SC as Early Access, but so far it seems that is not the case.

I don’t really think that for example trying to avoid likely very low and damming reviews is a technicality tbh. It is one of several fundamental and structural reasons that CIG is probably considering to avoid stating SC as Early Acces and to avoid the rest of the market and the gaming press to consider it as such.

$46M Marketing well spent?

 

[Ed02349]

Everybody already has his own take on what Star Citizen is...there simply is no agreement. CIG refuses to get nailed on a specific term because thats usually tied to certain progress markers so they are like "early days" in almost everything because they are so far behind the curve but are also trying to play the "we are almost done guys" card at any opportunity to keep people in the seats. Review outlets have to be careful and can only really offer "opinion" pieces because they are waiting for the official statement that makes Star Citizen FFA and subject to "real" finalized verdicts.

As of now, I dont think CIG would welcome the harsh truth in those verdicts so more polishing, more refacturing, more fidelity and the circle keeps turning.

I used to work with people who say "We can do that" "We will do that" "Don't worry about the problemswe can solve it" and alot more of those vague promises but the one thing they have in common is they never intended to work on it themselves. They never talk about details on how they will do things or mitigate/solve problems. A month or two after the meeting they always push the responsibilities of making it happen on other people. 6+ months after the meeting they're always busy elsewhere when there's a problem and leave it for someone else to fix.

CR inability to nail down details and answer a question straight falls into this group of people, to me.

Star Citizen has to be the only game where i've literally seen people say they will give the developer more money because someone was critical of the devs/product.

Spite pledging in actually a thing in SC.

Doesn't that make this forum part of SC's marketing, if we triggered spite pledging? That would be ironic, SC only lasted so long and got so much funding partially because of naysayers.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Doesn't that make this forum part of SC's marketing, if we triggered spite pledging? That would be ironic, SC only lasted so long and got so much funding partially because of naysayers.

The faithful should stop being so down on us! We're doing Chris' work!