🐨 Planet Zoo: Australia Pack coming 25 August, 2020 🐨
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With regards to those list of animal collections, I think the art of the dlc also must take place. You could have vallaby and emu instead of red kangaroo and koala, since they are more common in zoos but these are also not as iconic for marketing I think. Make sense to choose koala and red roo if there are only 4 slots in dlc. They are after all a face of Australian wildlife.
I guess many aspects goes into choosing the animals, it is not as simple as choosing the most common ones.
Edit: Cassowary over Emu might be because the devs also like to give one unexpected animal into their packs. Could also be that is is not as similar to ostrich as emu. Who knows.
I guess many aspects goes into choosing the animals, it is not as simple as choosing the most common ones.
Edit: Cassowary over Emu might be because the devs also like to give one unexpected animal into their packs. Could also be that is is not as similar to ostrich as emu. Who knows.
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@ElectricMonk No one has said that the list is the non plus ultra for Planet Zoo. It is only a realistic feedback from the european zoo world.
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which is fine as far as it goes, as long as it’s understood that data for Europe are not representative of the rest of the world (Especially since the species held by zoos varies Substantially by region) . Given this fact, what are the data for Europe Intended to demonstrate?
Have you a better list to representative which animals lifes in captivity?
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If you know a list is not representative it doesn’t matter if it’s the only list you have. It demonstrates little about broader trends. 3 of the biggest zoos (out of the top how many) being inEurope is only relevant If you’re trying to build one of the biggest zoos in the world in-game.
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Awesome!! Really looking forward to this one 
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I don't see a reason to believe that there are fundamental differences in the keeping of foreign (as I foreign in the region of the zoo) animals in different part of the world.
The high number of Emus is not driven by the Europeans love for this bird, but by its easy husbandry. It's rather easy to breed and lives long. I don't see why this should be different for Emus outside Europe
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The list is representative for Europe. I don‘t think the list for north america is strong different.
I’m not suggesting it is and I don’t really understand why you find it problematic that I use this example to point out how common emus are in captivity given the sheer numbers of collections there are in Europe.
And given my knowledge of zoos outside Europe nothing suggests to me that emus are uncommon in other parts of the world.
In New Zealand, emus are present at Auckland, Wellington, Pouakai and Orana. The only major zoo not to have them, to my knowledge, is Hamilton.
In Australia I can hardly find a non-specialised zoo that does not keep emus, perhaps Monarto.
No, you explicitly said "The dingo is a poor choice no matter what way you look at it." That is an objective statement. Yes it is your opinion, but your opinion is that it is objectively bad and it simply isn't. So it is an extremely negative statement that is a bit harsh. You asked why it is a bit a harsh, there is your answer.
I texted the mechanical Kangaroo to my husband as soon as I saw it as a way of warning him I will (hopefully) be spending money next week. I think it looks marvelous!
While, like many others, I would have loved to have more animals, I am satisfied with the habitat animals we are getting. While others may moan about a dingo being just "another wolf knockoff" I have a mildly different point of view.
I admit, I don't know how much work went into the actual creation of these animals, but this is my outlook. A Kangaroo, in particular, must have much more work put into the creation of the model and animation so I cannot expect to have all of the DLC animals to be unique. If we want DLCs to be released on a semi regular basis, then there must be some give and take. The more work one animal takes, the less time may be available for others. If time can be saved by being able to utilize similar "skeletons" for some of the pack, I am all for it. Now, I am not saying that I will be happy if all we get, in future, are packs of 4 reworked or reskinned animals. but I can understand, and appreciate the work that goes into any of the animals, no matter how similar or new they may be.
Thank you for the Australia pack - I look forward to buying it.
We got a Picture of the Dingo and it looks really good
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEJ9b3TFro-/?igshid=3iropv1fmta0
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Looks amazing! I am really looking forward to seeing these animals brought to life in my zoos! I think they will act as the key-stone center of an Oceania section.
Personally, I was really hoping for a Tasmanian devil... but, I get it. I have never seen a devil in captivity here in North America and it sounds like a rarity in Europe too. And I don't have a problem with another canine. Also I seem to recall that dingoes took over the ecological niche previously held by the Thylacine once they were wiped out. So whether or not they came by natural land bridges, I still thinks dingoes are an interesting story in the ecology of Australia and deserve their place, even if they're a newcomer on the block.
Personally, I was really hoping for a Tasmanian devil... but, I get it. I have never seen a devil in captivity here in North America and it sounds like a rarity in Europe too. And I don't have a problem with another canine. Also I seem to recall that dingoes took over the ecological niche previously held by the Thylacine once they were wiped out. So whether or not they came by natural land bridges, I still thinks dingoes are an interesting story in the ecology of Australia and deserve their place, even if they're a newcomer on the block.
OMG, the Dingo looks even more beautiful than I imagined it. Definately will find a place for them in unity. And one day I make a canine zoo. (Maybe if we get foxes with an european dlc, hint hint )
Definately will find a place for them in unity. And one day I make a canine zoo. (Maybe if we get foxes with an european dlc, hint hint )
(Maybe if we get foxes with an european dlc, hint hint
Let me wink with you
.Foxes would be cool!
I'm not completely sure but I think I've heard once that Dingos where one of the Reasons why the Thylacine went extinct that early on Mainland Australia
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Tom, not really my intention to derailed this thread any further, or to try lecturing you about your statement. I have been involved with the zoo world for decades now, visited over 400 zoos worldwide, had lengthily discussions with actual authorities in this matter and lived for years in Europe as well as the U.S working in zoo planning and design projects in both continents. When one refers to the biggest zoos in the world, then that is an extremely subjective discussion, since we can be taking into consideration, the number of species within the collection, attendance and popularity of the institutions, their progressive and innovative approach when it comes to conservation, breeding etc, the quality of the exhibits and the money that has been spent to create groundbreaking thematic areas. Someone could also be simply referring to the actual land size of the zoo, even though It is my believe this is not what you meant.
Now let us backtrack for a minute, your statement reads
"Are you serious? I think 3 of the biggest zoos of the world are in Europe. Have you a better list to representative which animals lifes in captivity?"
If you take all of the categories listed above as a point of reference (it is not a matter of you taking them or not, it is just the only factual way we can measure their standing) Europe actually does not rank as high as you might otherwise think, in fact with the exception of a couple of categories, they really do not rank high at all. When it comes to the greatest number of species being displayed in a zoo, Zoo Berlin still carries the torch, as their collection together with the Tierpark Berlin, are still some of the largest in the Planet. However since Zoo Berlin has gradually being reducing their collection to make way for higher quality exhibitions, even this category will go away. A much similar situation to the San Diego Zoo, and how they have been reducing their extensive collection for years now. Let us also take into account, that the large number of species within the Berlin Zoo is in great numbers aided by their large aquarium on zoo grounds. When we look at attendance, popularity and revenue being brought in, then it gets really interesting because this ranges significantly depending on what zoos data you are inspecting, the general consensus is that when you look at a general picture the U.S ranks ahead. As far as progressive, innovative and groundbreaking approaches when it comes to conservation and so on, there is no question that the U.S also has a significant lead here. Now comes the biggest differentiation between zoos in Europe and U.S zoological institutions, quality of the exhibits, and zoos overall. Being involved in some of the biggest and most expensive zoological projects in Europe, I can tell you first hand, that this is a no contest, not even close, the U.S spends more in zoo exhibits than all other countries combined, and that is a fact.
I will tell you this, there is a large contender that has been steadily cementing its position as the premier zoological destination in the world and that is the Mandai Park complex in Singapore, with the addition of the nature reserve and new bird park annexed to the already existing Zoo, night safari and river safari, it would be hard not to place this destination at the very top of the list. So if someone makes the statement, Europe has the biggest zoo in the world by way of species count (Berlin Zoo) then you would be correct, if we took all the insects and small fish species away, then it would be the Henry Doorly Zoo with 963 species. As an FYI the most expensive and ground breaking zoological exhibits in our planets history are located at the Bronx Zoo in NYC, until recently when San Diego Zoo opened their African Rocks exhibit at a cost of 68 million dollars, as a point of reference Paris built their entire Zoological Park of Paris at a cost of 181 million. The most expensive, innovative and groundbreaking zoo in the world at this moment is still Disney's Animal Kingdom.
I must add, that this is not a poor reflection of Europe's outstanding zoological institutions, as the majority of them combined with their long lasting history are exceptional. Some of my favorites zoos in the world are in Europe, since I appreciate their legacies, and character found within their historical grounds. Many Zoos in Europe are also progressive, and have state of the art Zoo exhibits, the Masoala Rainforest at the Zurich Zoo and Gondwanaland at Zoo Leipzig come to mind. One of the projects that I have been most proud of working on during my entire career was Valencia Bioparc in Spain, during my time with Rainforest, as well as Fuengirola Bioparc a much smaller thematic and fully immersive zoo that was planned and built from the ground up over a vastly outdated institution.
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